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Lots of allegations with zero proof.
3 hashtags.
I'll fire up a few more relays on September 1st.
Their use of "Direct Action" is real cute, too; we know what that means among the screaming twitterati here in 2016. Which of the women who've come forward, or the women in leadership roles within the Tor Project, are they going to dox and send death threats to? (The answer is all too frequently "all of them", because that's how these "ops" work.)
No, I mean "undertake the emotionally harrowing and deleterious task of yet again putting themselves back into that place in their heads so that they can indulge the curiosity of a bunch of randos and Twitter eggs while they harass them and threaten to kill them."
PTSD is a thing, and being forced to dive headlong into it for the morbid curiosity of angry randos would be literally sick.
> safe spaces and micro-aggression and whatever hog crap liberal infants have cooked up lately
Y'know, there's definitely a conversation to be had about some of the ways that those "liberal infants" approach problems of inequality and injustice, but I think it's really funny that you use an isolated pseudonym that can't be traced back to you when complaining about other people having the structures to minimize damage inflicted upon them.
Nah, you mean recounting negative events. And people have been recounting negative events throughout history until you people convinced yourselves that pretending things didn't happen is a mature way to solve anything. You seem to have also convinced yourself that this is merely about satisfying someone's idle curiosity, which is IMO a dumb interpretation of all this.
> ...there's definitely a conversation to be had about some of the ways that those "liberal infants" approach problems of inequality and injustice
* perceived problems of inequality and injustice. I agree, there is a conversation to be had about the unreasonable sensitivity and generally infantile manner in which social justice warriors / liberal arts majors behave.
> but I think it's really funny that you use an isolated pseudonym that can't be traced back to you
Really? I don't find it very funny. I'm not making legal accusations about anyone. Why is my identity relevant?
http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-08/jacob-appelbaum-rape-sexua...
https://www.oneeyedman.net/?p=2581
https://shiromarieke.github.io/tor
and especially this comment by Shava Nerad:
https://bbs.boingboing.net/t/jacob-appelbaum-tor-developer-a...
I don't know who is guilty of anything (on any side), but I do see a severe lack of process. Making unsubstantiated claims (even if they are true) without opportunity for the other side to respond isn't justice. 3rd parties taking action against people (again, on either side) is vigilantism.
This how good communities get ripped apart. Someone has driven a very effective wedge through the hacker community (not just Tor!) forcing people into us-vs-them tribal camps. This is why formal judicial processes are important; it doesn't have to be the state, but without some process all we have is a huge "he said, she said" mess and a rift of suspicion through the community as people are forced to take sides.
(note again: I have not taken any side or made any claims about the people/orgs involved. I am calling for justice and formal process instead of vigilantism, assumptions, and reactions based more on emotion and partial information)
"We have found our Kobiyashi-Maru."
Edit: fixed link (the > was eaten by HN link regexp).
We are allowed to believe women, if we choose, and Tor's leadership is, too.
Mutual consent - that's what employment is. If one side decides to stop, that is their right. You don't have to agree with them for it to be their right to withdraw consent (in this case because they believed these women).
Innocent until proven guilty is for courts of law who can take away peoples' freedom; it has no place professionally where all they can take away is his job. He is free to seek another that doesn't mind employing rapists.
My first thoughts are: I don't know any of those people, tor is open source, they should settle this in court like everyone else and keep tor out of it.
The project itself is full with all sorts of people with mental illnesses, including sexual deviations, and a strong political bias--it's a massive echo chamber right now.
And it's a shame because of the nature of this project: it should be kept neutral. Similar to the EFF for example.
I dunno, maybe this is some liberal extremism speaking, but I don't think organizations should be neutral on the issue of raping people.
I personally don't care about the people who work on a project that should be strictly technical. I don't understand why did they have to mix politics in.
Whether or not Tor wishes to continue employing him should be left to the opinions of Tor management, which they are fully permitted to form after simply listening to the women he raped.
I believe them. You should, too.
Believing multiple rape victims isn't a witch hunt.
>I believe them. You should, too.
I don't believe them for two reasons:
1) There is no actual proof. I don't believe things for which there's no proof.
2) It's possible multiple people didn't like him and therefore between themselves they decided to accuse him of rape to get rid of him.
You can doubt the credibility of that, if you like, but that's up to you; to say there is no proof is a falsehood.
It is interesting that you pay more heed to the notion of a character assassination conspiracy involving multiple credible parties than the simpler explanation that perhaps this well-known liar is also a well-known rapist.
Have you heard of Occam's Razor?
But I agree that the best strategy, assuming there was malfeasance, is probably not to hold Tor authorities accountable in this way.
TOR is only as compromised as the user who uses it, with their JavaScript turned on, and their Flash plugins enabled whilst surfing. TBB helps with that, but it's not bulletproof and still subject to any number of 0days (The FBI routinely breaks TBB for obvious reasons). TOR as an academic effort is perfect OPSEC because it uses compartmentalization and lots of other lovely OPSEC strategies, but fails horribly in the wild due to outright bad implementation.
Just like OpenSSL?