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> all new deployments must be on Openstack

you have my sympathies

What's so bad about OpenStack?

What's good about it? It's a bunch of different dumpster fires created by a bunch of committees across a bunch of companies which mostly compete with each other, and as such have no real incentive or motivation to have it all work well together even if they had the ability to, and the ability alone is seriously in question.

The Vision: a community-managed set of integrated tools that let you create a featureful cloud on hardware you control.

The Reality: a bunch of python scripts everyone forks.. committee politics...frustration

OpenStack is a great example of going "community" before the problem is well understood or there is a solution people trust.

It's basically a tire fire at this point and most of the community participants are market losers.

Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes.. I'm not sure it's fair to say "before the problem is well understood... But maybe. Whatever Google had going on internally Kubernetes is very much figuring it out along the way at almost every level. If you are wanting to use on AWS then you have kops, kube-up, hyperkube, protokube; a dizzying, un-approachable and interconnected ecosystem of launch scripts/programs. Very strange interop decisions with AWS, but hard to fault because it's darn near one person trying to manage all AWS integrations.

bash? Isn't Kubernetes predominantly Golang based?

"Substitute Python for bash and I get the same sense from Kubernetes"

Huh? Kubernetes is written in Golang.

the annoying and stupid modularity of it ...

What alternatives are there?

AWS, Azure or GCE....or if you insist on your own hw, just what spit and bailing wire you minimally require... at least you will own and understand it.

Those are not alternatives. They require you to run your software on someone else's computer.

I tried to use OpenStack 4 years in our new PaaS product. I ended up pulling it and using the regular, well baked tools built into our managed hardware. I see much hasn't changed in those intervening years.

>I see much hasn't changed in those intervening years.

Source?

Better that then yet more money funneling into the pockets of the big cloud companies.

How so? Most of the OpenStack stewards are as stodgy and corporate...

OpenStack is open source. It can be forked, modified, whatever. Let me know when you manage to build your own AWS cloud with Amazon's software and then I'll entertain the thought that they are comparable.

Its not about money funneling into the pockets of the big cloud providers, its about engineering hours being better spent. Openstack is bit of a mess.

Absolutely. I'm still waiting for any two things in OpenStack to be consistent with each other.

Related: My compilation of OpenStack rage tweets. https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20#openstack&sr...

Link just takes me to your twitter profile. I suspect if you can't correctly paste a link, you can't use openstack. :P

Gah, Twitter. Correct link: https://twitter.com/search?q=@stefanmajewsky%20%23openstack&...

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