I am very saddened to announce that I am quitting Tor

"That's on them, and every time you feel oppressed by "political correctness" a dozen or more people are feeling like they can participate safely for the first time."

So you oppress hundreds and thousands for their personal beliefs in exchange for a dozen or more people to feel better? This isn't my idea of freedom.

What we really need next is political diversity: Companies should be required to hire people with diverse political opinions.

It would never happen because it doesn't extend and enhance the left-leaning narratives that are destroying society with emotion, mob-rule, bullying, and lies and completely disregarding statistics and facts.

"It's not hard to do good technical work, but apparently it's quite difficult for these particular white men to manage without funding/advocating/practicing bigotry and sexism"

Eich isn't sexist nor a bigot. Just because you don't agree with gay marriage doesn't mean you hate all gays and/or are bigoted towards them. I find it ironic that you have prejudice against an entire group of people while at the same time making the argument that we need to be less prejudice.

I also remember reading Facebook during this time: The amount of bigoted comments and bullying toward anyone religious was astounding..and nobody lost their job over it.

It's because it's not really about freedom, it's about taking power and control and oppressing another group of people.

> Don't blame an increasingly inclusive and considerate culture for the continued incompetence of a bigoted few.

Don't confuse political correctness with tolerance. You might feel its more inclusive, but everyone still has a bias, even if its unconscious.

I'll think less of you if you believe in a religion, but I won't treat you differently outwardly for it.

EDIT: Also, I'm old school. I might not agree with you, but I will protect your right to free speech to the death, no matter how abhorrent it is (again, I do not have to agree with you to protect your rights). We are judged how we defend other's rights when we're in violent disagreement with them.

His... violent racism? I do not think you will see Yarvin saying all "Bleks r dumb."

> Don't blame an increasingly inclusive and considerate culture for the continued incompetence of a bigoted few. It's not hard to do good technical work, but apparently it's quite difficult for these particular white men to manage without funding/advocating/practicing bigotry and sexism.

There's no way you can reasonably tie Eich's views on gay marriage to his being a white man, so I'm having a hard time figuring out why you mentioned his race or gender. Among white men, prop 8. barely won, 51% to 49%. Among blacks, it won 70% to 30% (62% to 37% for black men, 75% to 25% for black women). Latinos were 53% to 47%, with men 2% higher than women. It lost among asians, 49% to 51%. I have not seen a breakdown of asians by gender. Supporting prop 8. was not a "white man" position.

(Some other breakdowns of the vote are also quite interesting. In the $30-75k and in $100-150k groups it won, 54% to 46%. In $75-100k it was 50/50. In the below $30k and the above $150k groups it lost, 47% to 52% and 46% to 54%, respectively. It won every age group over 30, and lost every age group under 30. It won about 65% to 35% among Christians, lost 33% to 67% among Jews/other, and lost 10% to 90% among those who say they have no religion. Among Christians it won, 84% to 16% among those who attend Church weekly, and lost 46% to 54% among those who attend occasionally, and lost 17% to 83% among those who never attend Church).

> it's not improbable that he would've refrained from being an ass to his ex-girlfriend

That's not what she says: "Still, I do have a weird feeling about many of these stories because they contain facts I know are wrong"

Remember that time a couple people accused Appelbaum of sexually harrassing a woman, and then she said that's not what happened at all? Yeah.

The sad thing is that I'm fairly confident that most of the stories are true. But they're mixed in with some real garbage from people who hate Jake for weird reasons, which makes them seem less credible. Awful tactics.

It's a pattern. See e.g. Alison Macrina's post, in which she cites an instance prior to her own assault where Jacob Applebaum used their relationship to recruit her into defending him regarding a situation she didn't personally witness: https://medium.com/@flexlibris/theres-really-no-such-thing-a...

Well that's not a very impartial summary.

That site is pure social media vigilantism. They specifically state that they don't need for him to be proven guilty in a court of law. Really bad for our industry and society to have stuff like this out there.

EDIT since I'm blocked from further commenting:

Not only are we as tech industry members told to believe all accusations (made by the "right" person) regardless of the lack of evidence. We are _encouraged_ to witch hunt the targets of these attacks and proactively destroy their lives. If we don't, we're labeled regressive. If we speak up and question the validity of the claims we're called all manner of X-ist labels.

The courts exist for a reason, they can deal with punishing those who break the law. In most of the cases what we're seeing is fully legal activity being run through a kangaroo court of public opinion spearheaded by ideologs on social media.

Scary times, but I'll continue to voice resistance on sites like this despite the inevitable wave of downvoting and semi-occasional censoring.

I think it's a good lesson about making reputation management a priority.

I don't know what to think of the entire situation. But undoubtedly everyone involved and the Tor project is significantly damaged by the affair.

Appelbaum either: (1) engaged in wrongdoing, or (2) let personal and professional relationships languish to the point people wanted to sabotage him. Either way, it is a good lesson to exercise caution within such a tight-knit community.

According to the article here, one of the accusers was part of the group that held that investigation, determined that the allegations held up, and decided that tor should no longer be associated with him.

If that is true, then really, that is one of the more devious uses of "anonymous" accusation followed by an "independent" investigation and "impartial" decision that I have ever seen. Would it be socially accepted if it was publicly known that the same person was an accuser, a investigator and a judge at the same time?

> Hurting someone and being abusive are not the same.

Disrespecting boundaries and being abusive are the same. What boundaries differentiates between emotional and physical abuse, and in some cases between whether the abuse is merely an ethical issue or actually a legal issue, as well.