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While I agree with you that years ago (>3) a Hackintosh wouldn't be a wise choice to go for a productive environment, a LOT has changed. I am running mine since 2 years now and am on the newest Mac OS version, most of the time the App Store updates work flawlessly (even though it's not recommended), alternatively you could just go for a small SSD, put everything else on another SSD and/or HDD and you can reinstall the SSD with the newest version which shouldn't take longer than 15-30 minutes. I am not doing that, I am just saying it would be a choice. I completely reinstalled my Hackintosh only once in those 2 years and that was from Yosemite to El Cap.

Sleep isn't a problem anymore if you buy the correct hardware, the question is also why you even would want to use sleep when it's booting within some seconds anyways...

In the beginning, like with the first setup, it probably takes some hours, you should probably even calculate a day to set it up like you want it. But in the end I probably saved 2k EUR going the Hackintosh route and don't regret it at all. I don't even notice it's a Hackintosh anymore...

> Sleep isn't a problem anymore if you buy the correct hardware, the question is also why you even would want to use sleep when it's booting within some seconds anyways...

To keep your open programs?

Well, isn't there an option to just do that also on reboot?

Sure, if you don't mind diligently saving all documents on shutdown, or your browser loading every single tab anew after starting, …

Applications are stateful. Sleeping keeps all that state.

Have you ever used OS X? Application state can be preserved and restored across reboots. Most apps do this automatically. Actually I haven't encountered one that doesn't.

I do occasionally, I can't say I noticed it – but that's probably because I spend 99% of my time in a terminal.

iTerm2 keeps state in this way for all my open tabs, except that it does a new login shell, so my history doesn't stay consistent: they all get the same history after a restart.

Still, not having to open all the terminals I use for different things and resize and position them is a win. It's the small things. :)

iTerm2 v3 beta doesn't keep tab state across relaunch for me. The tabs come back but on a fresh command prompt without stdout from the previous session. For me it's no better than starting fresh.

I'm using 3.0.5. There's a preference "Use System Window Restoration Setting" which may be helpful.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but this is my experience on 3.0.7 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12282280.

Which shell are you using? With fish I find that it's history is somewhat context sensitive based on the present directory. Because of this I've found myself less frustrated when working with the history across multiple tabs.

I run almost exactly three things on this MBP: screen (shells), emacs, and Chrome.

- My nested screen sessions with a ton of shells doing things all over the place don't get restored on reboot - My emacs state doesn't get restored on reboot - Chrome reloads all the pages from the network instead of just serializing its entire state and restoring it on reboot

(All of the above are true on linux too.)

I've heard it's possible to persist some of the state of shell sessions across reboot using tmux + the resurrect plugin.

You might check out the latest version of iTerm2. I think it supports saving sessions (including tmux?) over a reboot.

I use OSX and I'd much rather sleep than reboot. Lots of productivity programs will lose state - offhand the Adobe suite comes to mind, for instance. And if you have a bunch of tabs open in a web browser it takes forever for them to reload. If you use multiple desktops there's no guarantee of windows popping up on the same desktop after a reboot, even with Apple apps.

Waking the machine from sleep takes seconds; rebooting with stored state takes minutes.

Casual plug for the Pinboard tabs sets feature (https://blog.pinboard.in/2011/04/new_save_tabs_feature/) or OneTab (https://www.one-tab.com).

Most of my post-startup routine in Linux is doing things like re-seeding my development database after the ramdisk has been mounted, starting up screen with database clients, and booting up the local servers (the ones that make up our application) all connected to one another - a single script, but still takes a few seconds to get going and can only happen after the database on the ramdisk has been configured.

Application state for all three GUI apps I use is pretty much restored on every platform. Thing is, there are only three of them.

Since 10.7, application state is automatically saved on log out. Some 3rd party software took longer to properly support it, but 5 years has gotten everything up to speed.

Can be disabled while logging out (untick the checkbox) or holding shift while logging in.

Mostly true, but not completely.

There are still important state details that aren't preserved, like how far down the page I've scrolled in an article I'm reading, a form in progress, or the text that I have highlighted in a tab. How about my active terminal sessions in iTerm? It would be a joy if that state preserved across restarts.

I think the latest version of iTerm2 (3+) supports this actually.

Kinda. I just tried it on 3.0.7.

For example, in tab #1, I cd and run a bash script to start a web server process. In tab #2, I split it into two panes, and in #1 run workon to start a virtual environment then start the Python REPL. In pane #2, I run top.

After quitting and restarting, tab #1 returns to the proper directory but with no output. Pane #1 shows previous output and returns the proper directory but without the virtual environment activated. Pane #2 does the same. History seems to be merged across the three which is a bit confusing as well.

I just want to take a moment here to applaud Sublime Text and its creator. I've kept unsaved documents in it for several days before, across app relaunch, system restart, etc, and even in the very rare times that it does crash, it has never lost any text for me. I wish all programs were built so well.

> Sleep isn't a problem anymore if you buy the correct hardware, the question is also why you even would want to use sleep when it's booting within some seconds anyways...

It's a nice feature that isn't worth giving up for me personally. Even on my few years old rMBP a cold boot to the desktop takes 2 minutes vs 2 seconds from sleep.

Is there a way to get a legal copy if you don't have access to a mac?

I've only been able to see a purchase option involving the mac app store.

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