Royal palace discovered in area believed to be birthplace of King Arthur
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Admittedly I was young and deeply in love with all things Swords and Sorcery but I really liked that movie.
Wonder what Le Morte d'Arthur has to say about it... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Morte_d%27Arthur
From the cheesy to the epic a lot of the books, movies, games etc. we enjoy today are just modern variations of ancient stories.
Probably time to see if I like that movie now as much as I did when I was ten! :-)
“I was not born to live a man’s life, but to be the stuff of future memory.” This quote by Arthur in the movie also applies, in a way, to the movie as a whole. The movie does not try to portray Arthur as a realistic medieval/fantasy king, but the idea of King Artur, the legend.
Though he was no Arthur
Among the powerful ones in battle
In the front rank, Gwawrddur was a palisade
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_Gododdin
I can strongly recommend Michael Wood's book "In Search of England" which has a chapter on Arthur.
[NB I can see Din Eidyn out of the window as I write this].
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edinburgh_Castle#Early_Middle_...
believed by who? I thought it was pretty widely agreed that he never existed.
Much like Count Dracula (the evidence saying he was inspired by Vlad the Impaler is awfully thin and largely rests on everyone assuming an initial theory was correct and then laughing at anyone that wanted to say otherwise because "everyone" knows). If you go looking for nobles in that area that fought the Turks and were notorious...well, take your pick. You can filter by "son of the dragon/devil" (Dracula), but I've heard that "Dracul" was sort of an honorary title that wasn't shy among, you know, nobles that fought Turks, so that filter isn't likely to help much.
The excavation of Troy also destroyed a lot of evidence in the dude's eagerness to find the "original" Troy, so if anything it's a good argument against eagerly digging around looking for myths.
To be fair, The Bosporus isn't short of possible archaeological digs. I would hate being a developer anywhere around there.
I wouldn't read to far into the article, I don't think they are digging around looking for myths so much as excavating a undocumented, historic site and using the King Arthur story for media coverage or interest.
Note how everything related to King Arthur is simply added by the author of the article and all the quotes from the individuals involved in the project don't mention a thing about Arthur, but limited to: items located, potential origins of the items recovered, possible dates etc...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlad_the_Impaler
http://www.livescience.com/images/i/000/071/430/i02/Impaled....
I was specifically talking about the connection to Bram Stoker's Dracula - Vlad was a real person, (with a bloody history) just as whoever built this English wall they found was/were (presumably minus a few gory tales), but that doesn't mean Stoker knew anything about him.
This is not unlike the Hittites, a great civilization that until recently was believed by scholars to be a Biblical myth (either not existing at all, or a tiny tribe inflated in importance for propaganda reasons) because no physical evidence existed.
It was not until 1830 that Hittite ruins were first discovered [1]. We now know they were a great civilization with an Empire which lasted for 500 years (and successor states that lasted a few more centuries) and spanned most of modern Turkey.
If an entire civilization can be lost, so can evidence of a minor Romano-British Chief.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_King_Arthur#Ear...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hittites#Archaeological_discov...
There are a lot of things to learn from myths, legends, and folktales. Finding a historical character has got to be one of the more boring things considering the value is in the considerable time the story was orally preserved--it meant enough to the people who told it we can learn about them.
Edit: I mean this is a pretty cool archaeological dig, I'm not trying to diminish the work here. I'm excited from an archaeological perspective because we don't know much about the period. But the eagerness in drawing conclusions is baffling--there is literally no evidence worth reporting wrt King Arthur beyond the age.
I'm not saying that disparagingly regarding archaeology: is is way cool, but the Disneyland grade treatment this particular find will get will be a bit nauseating.
What I fail to understand is how they reach their conclusions without any real evidence and the media jumps all over it with language proclaiming certainty that this was King Arthur's birth place... a king that while we'd all love to believe in him because he is as much a part of our British heritage as Robin Hood and James Bond largely appears to be a fabrication of our own yearning for a more noble ancestry than we have evidence to support.
What's up with that?
*This story is entirely fictional and any similarity to the Steve at the top of this thread is purely coincidental
Well, the earliest source we have that talks about Arthur (Historia Brittonum) is talking about a British leader. And the Battle of Badon has more/earlier sources that mention it. Was one of the leaders at the Battle of Badon actually named Arthur? We don't really know, but it does seem more plausible than the story of Atlantis.
On the topic of the Old Testament I do find Leviticus 13 rather amusing [2].
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Hittites
2. http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Leviticus-Chapter-13/
"Merlin! I can't get on the damn wifi again!"
"The tower had to be strong, so we built the walls 1.85 meters thick!...."
Soooo authentic.