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A poor attempt at obfuscation.

I suppose you would also say that Russia had nothing to do with with Litvinenko's murder, Nemtsov's murder, Shooting down MH-17, having no soldiers in Eastern Ukraine, etc.

And concerning your comment about Stalin (Russians always did adore their Tyrants), he would have been very proud today.

Over 50 % of Russians have embraced him.

http://www.newsweek.com/putin-russia-economy-communist-party...

> For the first time this year, a majority of Russians (52 percent) indicated in an annual opinion poll that they considered Stalin’s bloody rule “probably” or “definitely” a positive thing.

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> A poor attempt at obfuscation.

Just because Russia is guilty of some things, does not mean that they are automatically guilty of others.

> nothing to do with with Litvinenko's murder

Probably the Russian government was involved.

> Nemtsov's murder,

Nothing has been proven, it is just pure speculation. I really don't think the government benefited by killing him on red square -- it created a huge embarrassment.

> Shooting down MH-17,

Russia may have provided assistance to rebels (e.g. in the form of air defense). But there is no proof at all that a civilian plane was shot down on purpose on orders of the Russian government. In most probability it is a tragic accident (as happened earlier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberia_Airlines_Flight_1812). These accidents are bound to happen when civilian planes fly over warzones.

> comment about Stalin (Russians always did adore their Tyrants),

Russians have a complex and tragic history. It is not that easy to reject all of your history (the good and the bad).

I wonder if you are equally vocal about neighbouring countries who still adore their Nazi independence fighters...

Again, a poor effort to deceive rather than inform. Making excuses for evil and murder and then adding your customary Whataboutism.

This isn't Reddit. The folks around here are quite Intelligent.

Your post shows you take the media 100% at their word, especially considering there's only circumstantial evidence for most of your claims of Russia's wrongdoing. Anyhow, I don't wish to debate those, they've been beat to death here and elsewhere.

As for Russians' somewhat positive opinion about Stalin, it might have to do with the Great Patriotic War aka. World War 2, in which some 20% of citizens of the USSR were casualties. Think of the scale of their suffering, the threat they faced, and the fact that Stalin was their leader when they fought back and defeated Nazi Germany.

The US has never in its whole history suffered catastrophes even close to what Russia has suffered multiple times in the last century. You have to remember that when you think about why Russia is the way it is today (it actually goes for most eastern slavs - my grandparents were Ukrainian and the slavic psyche you could say is a mix of stoicism and cynicism - probably due to constant conflict and catastrophe, invasions by enemies, brutal despots not to mention the harsh climate).

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