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Fair enough. Here is an article with a video: http://www.mynet.com/haber/guncel/emniyet-muduru-vatan-cadde...

If you were a Gulenist you would have claimed that this video is not what it isand try to be likeable so people who don't speak Turkish would choose to believe you.

A proper Gulenist would say that this video just shows a guy in a military uniform. What you should do is to google the name of the guy and find old articles with photos about him being dismissed from his job as a police chief.

There are reports about him committing suicide.

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Though that just shows there were some alleged Gulenists involved and I gather Gulenists are about 10% of the population. It doesn't prove Gulen himself was involved.

That's the spirit.

10% is a major over estimation. I would say 2-3%. Also you clearly have no idea on how this kind of structures work.

>no idea on how this kind of structures work

I admit to confusion. However considering who was behind the coup there are two leading hypotheses - Gulen or Erdogan, both widely suspected of being responsible by the Turks.

A main instigator was "General Mehmet Dişli, the brother of a long-serving MP with the ruling AK party, allegedly gave the order that set the coup in motion, sending army special forces officers to arrest the military’s senior command." (Guardian).

He's "a two-star general who happens to be the brother of Saban Dişli, a former vice president of the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP). Saban is a close confidant of President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan."

So that's a fairly direct connection for Erdogan being linked. Is there anything like that for Gulen? Like a coup leader being a brother of one of Gulen's mates? Also Gulen has preached peace throughout whereas Erdogan seemed quite happy to go kill Kurds when he felt it would help him politically.

Guardian and NYT are trying hard to support that theory because they have their axes to grind against Erdogan, no doubt about it.

That aside, I do not think being the brother of a former vice president means anything when there are overwhelming more evidence supporting Gulen hypothesis. Read press in Turkey (critical to Erdogan) for what I mean. I am still trying not to suggest Gulen movement is violent, but they did screw up on this one. He will also be responsible for the ramifications of this.

Your statement "happy to kill Kurds" is also absurd. I am not at all supporting nationalist tune of the government but come on, PKK started the fire by filling the streets of poor Kurdish towns with tons of explosives and detonating them without hesitation, putting Ak-47's to the hands of teenagers and forcing and threatening civilians to stay, destroying their houses and using them as human shield. I have zero sympathy to PKK for what they did to their own people.

You may be right. I'm going off the NYTs 2015 editorial:

>Ahead of new elections set for Nov. 1, Mr. Erdogan last month reignited a war with Kurdish separatists, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party or P.K.K., in an apparent effort to rally support for the government and thus salvage his ambitions for continued authoritarian rule and greatly expanded powers.

Regards reading the Turkish press the recent "16 TV channels, 23 radio stations, 45 papers, 15 magazines and 29 publishers will be shut" and various reporters arrested stuff makes me wonder if there may be some bias there.

From reading a few articles with help of Google Translate, the current purge of Gulenists seems to be similar to persecution of Falun Gong in China. Just another case of history repeating itself.

The subject is incredibly complex. Google Translate would not help you.

I would suggest reading articles by foreigners living in Turkey.

Try Claire Berlinsky, a British national and the biographer of Margaret Thatchet. She is living in Turkey since a decade and closely following the political science.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClaireBerlinski

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