Those of you who turned this discussion into a circle of hell with your incivility, ideology, and attacks make me ashamed to be associated with this site.

We're soon going to release a much stronger version of the site guidelines and start making it a lot clearer how unacceptable such behavior is on HN. If you want to abuse each other or blast your views at enemies, please go elsewhere. There's no intellectual curiosity in any of this, and the vast majority of us are here to avoid it.