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All Signs Point to Russia Being Behind the DNC Hack

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I have no idea if it came from Russia or what, but I have noticed that politicos have chosen to take this point and run with it rather than discuss the actual contents of the leaked documents.

This is a case where the source of the information does matter - the article notes that a number of files were edited and that tampering with information isn't new for Russian intelligence. That's not to say the leaks are false, it's just that skepticism is a prudent response.

I've also seen articles that focus on criticizing Wikileaks for publishing the emails containing personal information (addresses, SSNs) of donors. The real story is that the DNC was sending this information around in unencrypted emails.

* Russia couldn't break into Clinton's home server and steal emails

* Russia broke into the DNC's network and stole emails

Choose 1

Why wouldn't Russia break into both?

* that's the point

OK, I'm a little slow. I didn't get it (do now). :-)

Edward Snowden was the source of leaks exposing the massive and illegal snooping on U.S. citizens by our government.

The vast majority of U.S. citizens did not focus anger on the leaker -- only the exposed facts mattered.

It really doesn't matter who the whistle-blower is. The facts and the wrongdoing matter.

The people who villify whistle-blowers "can't handle the truth."

It kinda does matter if the official security organs of another nation are messing with our elections. That's double plus ungood. It would be even more ungood if evidence were uncovered demonstrating that the manager of one campaign with connections in the region colluded with the Russians (see also: Kissinger, Vietnam; Poppy Bush, Iran). (Obviously, the US's hands aren't particularly clean here, what with the CIA having intervened in foreign governments repeatedly)

The DNC manipulated their elections. The hackers (if a state actor or a lone amateur) are setting the record straight and are doing a great service to the american public. They haven't found yet strong evidence of the election manipulation at the hacked servers, but this doesn't mean it didn't happen. So far the Clinton Foundation leaks alone should be enough material for treason.

The Clinton Foundation levied war against the UNited States, and/or gave aid and comfort to its enemies?

I thought only Republicans believe in conspiracy theories! Remember how "Bush lied to invade Iraq"? I see the same thing happening here. President Hillary is preparing the American people for a possible WW3 with Russia. She's a war hawk, advocated for a no-fly zone over Syria, and favors escalating hostility with Russia. You were warned.

An interesting contract with the Sony hack, which the president was quick to publicly blame on North Korea with much less evidence. But officially, the administration has not accused Russia directly in this case. (This isn't stopping it from becoming a campaign issue, of course).

There's also a lot of evidence that NATO is being prepped to get more aggressive with Russia, and that Hillary wants a major escalation with Russia.

Given that the DNC emails provide enough rope to hang themselves, Russia would be stupid to NOT do this.

If it comes down to: Trump - friendship with Russia, Clinton - war with Russia, I know which way I'd vote.

If by 'friendship with Russia' you mean 'let Putin take whatever territory he wants'.

You mean like how we respect the borders of Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq and Syria?

Putin has made it clear that his goal is to turn Russia into an authoritarian police state (a goal he has largely accomplished) and regain all the territory that the old USSR controlled, including Eastern Europe. Is that what you really want? Do you really think that would make the world a better place?

Trump has made clear he wants the US to be an authoritarian police state, so they agree on that.

>Trump has made clear he wants the US to be an authoritarian police state

How so? I have not been following Trump much. What are his policies that will turn the country into a police state? And how does he plan to go around Congress and the Judicial Branch to implement his police state?

No. I don't think either extreme makes the world a better place.

Good fences make good neighbors.

That goes for all parties involved.

There's also a lot of evidence that NATO is being prepped to get more aggressive with Russia,

Such as? From your wording I assume you have specifics handy.

30 seconds on google: http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/692601/NATO-military-chi...

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-15/nato-says-it-might-...

And look who gets blamed for the DNC leak:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-25/fbi-launches-probe-...

You're going to have to do a bit more googling.

Neither of those articles supports the point you were trying to make.

What do you mean by "get more aggressive"? Invade with 10,000 tanks? Drop a nuke on Moscow?

You know, when the US does some major military action, like invading Iraq, it is generally preceded by months of debate in the press. Do you see Obama and his supporters arguing for invading Russia?

it's possible that more than one entity hacked the DNC server(s). i'd say it's very likely. that's going to make attribution even more difficult

I thought Trump was going to start ww3 with Russia.

You aren't paying attention. Trump is friendly with Russia. Clinton is hostile with Russia. Remember how "Bush lied to invade Iraq"? I see the same thing happening here with Clinton camp blaming Russia for the DNC e-mails leak. President Hillary is preparing the American people for a possible WW3 with Russia. She's clearly showing her intentions.

A Trump presidency right now would be a perfect recipe for World War III [1]

Would Donald Trump start World War 3 by accident or on purpose? Does it matter? [2]

[1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-d-taylor/donald-trumps...

[2] http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/23/1529460/-Would-Donal...

Those article are ridiculous.

Trump, like any President, will only use nukes, as a last defense, to protect America. It's only for self-defense.

To claim that Trump wants to nuke the whole world, yeah. Those authors are delusional.

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