Microsoft reports $22.6B in Q4 revenue
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-19/microsoft-misses-ga...
What does this mean? Are Microsoft counting people who haven't upgraded as if they have upgraded?
It sounds like they are deferring some of the revenue from licenses sold with the intention of booking it over the life of the OS, as "free" updates are released.
GAAP rulea may dictate they book the revenue over the life of the OS to better match liabilities in the form of updates. MSFT want to book all the revenue now as an "economic reality".
It sounds like they're also claiming restructurings of their phone hardware division was a "one time charge" and removing those expenses, again, to better represent the "economic reality".
I think you might be right; the revenue should be deferred over the life of Windows 10, but their non-GAAP measure books it up front. Hence the top line beat.
Not a particularly heinous accounting maneuver.
As an observer, you need to make a judgement call on whether you agree with the GAAP numbers, the guidance numbers, or somewhere in between.
1. GAAP says that revenue from a software service subscription (e.g. cloud service) can only be counted as revenue once the service has been delivered, not at time of sale.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/ea-to-ease-non-gaap-usage-a...
http://www.grayboxpdx.com/blog/post/revenue-recognition-for-...
2. Equity-based compensation is accounted for as a cost.
http://mercercapital.com/financialreportingblog/equity-based...
Persuasive evidence of an arrangement exists Delivery has occurred or services have been rendered The seller's price to the buyer is fixed or determinable Collectibility is reasonably assured.
Stock compensation doesn't make it not an expense. It is coming from somewhere. It is coming from the equity holders pockets therefore it is a real cost.
The basic definition is Assets=Liability+Equity.
So rewriting it E=A-L
If you you pay a person with cash: E-C=A-C-L
When you pay person with equity:
E-X where X is equity you are losing in both cases they are equivalent. So stock option are not free and need to be treated as an expense.
Microsoft obviously does not want to do this since it drops their earnings by a significant amount, but I'm sure their auditors gave them shit for it. Their auditors probably also made them book impairment charges on things they didn't feel were impaired.
Not "rules" but "guidelines". Or quite literally, "principles".
"... stock soars"
The thing is that GAAP vs Non-GAAP is pretty irrelevant unless they regularly change how they do it. If a company reports non-GAAP earnings every quarter with the same methodology, it's effectively the same as reporting GAAP. People on wall street aren't dumb. There is a reason the reaction was positive.
Food for thought, here are GAAP vs non-GAAP reportings for the S&P 500 companies: http://www.auditanalytics.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/1...
For the non-finance people, this is like using snake case in a camel case language or vice versa. Sure, it's an annoyance the first time you look at the project. As long as it's consistent between files, it's not really worth withdrawing from your "things I can bitch about at the dinner table" account.
btw, don't say " for the non-finance people " -> it's very arrogant and bankers are already hated as it is.
This is the easy over-simplification that makes for a convenient blame-game.
> Speculators don't care about a correct investment decision is about riding the trends
Speculators != Investors.
> If people are buying, it doesn't matter if you don't agree .. you have to buy as well it works as a hedge.
No. If other people are buying, you can sit there and do absolutely nothing.
> btw, don't say " for the non-finance people"
No. I'll go ahead and target my explanations to the exact people who may not understand the topic being discussed. If you feel like you're being looked down upon, that's your insecurity, not my problem.
You can see it's the same person with an alternate login. Social media is slowly becoming the biggest confirmation bias factory, facts became totally irrelevant in discussions.
- 1 YEAR AGO, as GAAP: Microsoft reported a $2000 millions in losses
- TODAY, as GAAP: Microsoft reported $3000 millions in profits
YET the story is spun negatively in terms of GAAP, and people will follow that negativity despite having the data literally in their faces!
In this case, what wall street takes into account is Microsoft progress in the cloud, how many physical and virtual widgets they are selling and cost's control as well as currency fluctuations, taxes, etc...
Last 12 months rev for G and M are $75 and $85.3 billion per Google finance.
edit: M's revenue had actually decreased $8 billion over the prior 12 months.
I honestly can't remember what the "good old days" of TC even looked like. MG Siegler writing fawning pieces about Apple? The latest Arrington drama?
I came for the comment section. When they integrated Facebook, I never went back.
I guess in the latter case, the name would be Streetly or Streetr or something equally dumb.
Just like how I cringe when I see terms like "the cloud" in Business Week or one of those magazines.
[1] https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=beat+the+Stree...
Google '15 74B Microsoft '15 93B
I'd invest in a horseshoe manufacture that grows revenue 4.6B a year for the last 17 years.
[0]https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msusa/en_US/pdp/product...
IIRC, LO/OOo have much poorer support for tables and table formulae than Excel, as well.
Tables or PowerPivot? I'd say a substantial share of the institutions purchasing Office Professional Plus are using at least one of the two in important processes, even if only a small number of users are directly aware of it.
> Especially considering that at the point you require the ability to "import millions of rows of data from multiple data sources into a single Excel workbook" you should probably be using a proper database and stop playing around.
PowerPivot is (built on, at least, the feature includes more than just the database) a proper column-oriented OLAP database.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12127823 and marked it off-topic.
While I understand an investor report needs to be precise the articles about it needs to use terms people understand. Like "this is how much money came in the doors" -- aka. income. I believe the word "revenue" is used for what a layperson would call "income" and "income" is also used but for something else.
And then good luck figuring out how much profit they made. I searched and this article alone http://phys.org/news/2016-07-microsoft-profit-year-big-loss.... puts it in easy-to-understand way right in the very first sentence:
> Microsoft said Tuesday it posted a profit of $3.1 billion in the just-ended quarter
Is that painful to write or what? Because noone else did.
Edit: for example, one could write "Microsoft have sold software and services for $22.6B and made a profit of $3.1B". That's easy. Also, I realize it's not perfect (because they also sold hardware and got money from IP deals) but it's not my task to come up with easy-to-understand phrasing and it only needs to be done once. It's just an example of how to use words that non-accountant people can understand.
What's the FASB?
There are several companies/methodologies that significantly adjust public filings to reflect economic realities: [1] https://www.credit-suisse.com/sites/holt/en.html [2] http://finance.wharton.upenn.edu/~acmack/Chapter_12_app.pdf
The 10k's we would go over took a lot of analysis to understand financially and operationally if the company is in good shape based on the stated numbers.
Free cash flow is most commonly defined as operating cash flow minus capital expenditures
You would need to make adjustments to the cash flow if you wanted to account for the extra liabilities since that doesn't use cash in the current quarter.
My point is cash flow can be manipulated just like income statements. You really need to look at income statement, cash flow, and balance sheet to know what is going on.
Here's an alternate definition (and you'd adjust based on a given industry or company)
Start with Net income + expenses not using cash (such as depreciation and amortization) - revenues not providing cash (such as recognition of deferred revenues) - increase in working capital or + decrease in working capital - increase in required cash balances or + decrease in required cash balances + interest paid in cash (recall that all firms must disclose this number) - interest tax shield (the tax “savings” from financing charges due to the tax deductibility of interest) - long term capital investment (including, but not limited to capital expenditures or “CAPEX”) + cash from sales of assets (including sales of PPE)
= Free Cash Flows to the Unlevered Firm
You'd continue on with more calculations to get to free cash flows to common equity or whatever you're interested in.
GAAP - Generally Accepted Accounting Principles
So what then is non-GAAP?
But lack of standardization in these calculations, plus the potential for creative accounting, make it difficult to draw relevant comparisons among companies or draw meaningful conclusions from these statistics.[1]
Riiiiiiight.
It the article was from a financially oriented news organisation it'd make a bit more sense to use the terms of industry.
1. http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Non-GAAP
Generally, "Non-GAAP" can mean either IFRS or Cash Basis Accounting
Basically:
GAAP - Generally Accepted Accounting Principles = the way large corporations in the US have to account for things (assets, liabilities, equity, earnings, cash flows, etc.) --> Accruals
IFRS - International Financial Reporting Standards = how European companies account for things --> Accruals
Cash Basis Accounting = the way small businesses usually account for things
Cash Basis Accounting vs. Accrual Accounting (GAAP/IFRS/etc.)
* Cash Basis --> expenses and revenues directly match cash flows, I buy a machine that lasts 5 years today and expense the whole purchase price today
* Accrual Accounting --> expenses are recorded when "incurred" and revenues when "earned", I buy a machine that lasts 5 years today and expense the purchase price over 5 years
Individual standards (IFRS/GAAP, etc.) define these soft terms: incurred, earned, assets, debt, equity, other income, etc.
I think it's easier to demonstrate on the revenue side: if I sell a customer something and give them 30 days to pay, under the cash method I don't record the sale until I actually receive the cash whereas under the accrual method I record the sale when I invoice the customer: in the cash basis Accounts Receivable is basically a non-booking account and under the accrual method Accounts Receivable is an asset account. (Note I'm ignoring issues of deferred revenue :-) ).
I do think your definitions are sound.
Note: there are some U.S. tax rules about the first $X yearly capital purchases being immediately depreciable each year (though it's a relatively small amount).
Not everything has to be immediately accessible; every field has terminology we have to be aware of when entering it - and that's not a bad thing.
The article is definitely poorly worded, but the words themselves are not the problem.
Not sure if this qualifies as an achievement. Too many questions would perhaps suggest that things aren't quite obvious.
Wish I had a Windows box to play around and see what Cortana looks like. A variant of Clippy?
> Wish I had a Windows box to play around and see what Cortana looks like. A variant of Clippy?
Your comment suggests that you don't know what Cortana is, so I'm not sure how you're coming to the conclusion that "Too many questions would perhaps suggest that things aren't quite obvious."
Cortana is a digital assistant, like Apple's Siri. Common queries could be things like "when's my next appointment," "what time is it in Tokyo," or "when's the next showing of Interstellar?" It doesn't reflect on Windows itself possibly being hard to use.
IME people can mistake thirst for hunger - one thinks one is very hungry but drinking some water (or other drink) and the feeling of hunger subsides, not scientific but there seems to be something in it. I wonder if there is some test for an optimum hydration level that a computer could do (visually?) or indeed if in a few decades we'll be monitored so closely in our actions in our homes (or at least those of us who are rich will) that Son-of-Siri will be telling us we should have a drink.
Probably Microsoft/Apple/Google/Buy&Large will be getting back-room deals to get their intelligent companions to order specific brands of drink for us and make recommendations when we're not quite thirsty that we need a drink "how about a Buy&Large cola"!!?
They are terrible imo. Cortana (and any other cloud "service") are the first things turned off on any windows install.