> it sickens me how these "refugees" are choosing what
> country to stay in despite the fact they say they
> escaped war and torture
Does having a degree make you a better person or a more functional part of society? Does not having a degree bring bad rep?
And.
Why do you think these people don't have degrees and can't be functional members of society? Do you think they're stupid because their country was at war? or are they stupid because they have no means to just catch a plane and get a visa?
Your comment is extremely unfortunate.
I think it would be safe to say that in case of the parent commenter this is true.
It seems obvious that he/she is educated and actually wants to be a part of society.
You can either argue with me based on facts or at least come up with some thoughtful insights but not with "I'm loosing faith in humanity".
I can't answer that. However, I can say that having a degree makes an Syrian immigrant a better person or a more functional part of a Western society.
A degree in the Third World is often associated with education (duh), work ethics and a sense of civility. I know this might sound elitist as heck but what use would a developed country have for someone without any of those qualities?
>Why do you think these people don't have degrees and can't be functional members of society?
Simply because they couldn't even be functional in their own society.
I never said they were stupid but if Third Worlders were so bright, why isn't the Third World developed?
Unfortunate? What's unfortunate to me is that I have to point out why countries like my own are far behind. Like it or not the reason for that regression is people.
Here is the thing, our values are not "get a degree". Our values are respect, treating and considering each other as equals, help each other, you know, stuff like that.
Unfortunately you seem to be very far from understanding it. Hence why you'll have issues in Europe. You're welcome to come and learn about our values, but be ready to respect everyone equally regardless of their origin, studies or money.
Good luck in your life.
In a nutshell, beggars can't be choosers.
What that statement generally means is that beggars can't generally afford to turn down charity, hoping for others to give something better.
But in this case this is not what we are talking about, but a situation where someone has to decide which country they will try to apply for asylum in, amongst multiple possible options. In that case, they most definitively can choose to some extent, even though the alternatives may have different perceived risk profiles.
And as with everything else, of course some people will choose badly.
One option, getting asylum as soon as you can, is your right, and the other option - crossing the border with forged documents to get asylum elsewhere - is a crime.
Yes, you may prefer A to B - but if one of them is permitted and the other is not, then there is a big ethical difference, and simply choosing whatever benefits you most is not appropriate.
Person A can choose.
Ergo, Person A is not a beggar.
Of course they can choose, but they have to stop playing the "refugee" card.
Even if you can find a job in English (which is possible, things like startups or video game developers are sometimes in English), you will need the local language to talk to shop keepers, repair men, salespeople, any government worker, etc. Basically all the day to day bullshit errands you need to do are only doable in the local language.
Nordic countries are probably OK with English only since a huge % of the population speaks English. Everywhere else though, no chance. The English speaking % is far too low.
In Nordic countries at least, that is indeed not a problem. Literally everybody speaks english at some level, and the whole especially in the larger cities you can often end in shops or restaurants where the people that work there only speak english.
Why is it sickening? Surely it makes sense for any person to choose the best option of those open to them?
I used "refugees" intentionally to refer only to immigrants with solely economic motives not all refugees.