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Tesla needs (or is going to be forced) to issue a recall soon. Putting "beta" technology in a car isn't OK when it puts drivers and others on the road in danger. This is especially problematic because people have a preconceived notion of what "auto pilot" means and just because Tesla says it's not ready for prime time so therefore you should "keep your hands on the wheel" doesn't make it OK to put into production.

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I thought the entire autopilot could be replaced with an over-the-air software update?

Yeah, Tesla make sure that OTA is applied in every car.

See the comments above, if the sensor suite is insufficient, over-the-air software updates won't help.

But OTA updates can disable the feature, which is the essential safety response right now. Even if they wanted to recall and add sensors, I don't think that would make this system safe enough - the bigger issue is the human factor involved in a not-quite-good-enough autonomous vehicle.

With the PS/Linux decision, not sure they can just 'disable' the feature.

Not sure exactly to what you're referring, but if it involves hacking your Tesla to re-enable it,

a) that will vastly reduce the level of usage, and b) the OTA update could very well completely remove the code from storage, making the job of hacking a much more involved process than just enabling a flag.

Sony is settling a class-action suit with people who bought PS3s while relying on the "Other OS" feature. So, it's not about technical ability to re-enable the Autopilot feature; it's about being liable to their customers who relied on the feature being present when they shelled out $70k+.

Ah. Indeed. I suspect that if they do disable this, though, it'll be my NTSB mandate, so they won't have much of a choice - similar to the VW thing. They might then have to deal with the resulting lawsuits, but I can see many scenarios where they don't have a chance to avoid them. Tesla did, after all, sell a product with an advertised feature that isn't ready for prime-time.

The most likely reason I see for them disabling the feature in OTA would be if countries pass legislation forcing them to. In that case, the car owner would likely not have recourse like in the PS/Linux case since they were legally required to remove it.

To be honest, I'm really surprised this hasn't happened in EU countries. If you'd asked me 10 years ago whether the EU would allow their entire road system to be used for a public beta test of half-baked semi-auto driving systems, I'd have said there is no way. Yet tesla just went ahead and pushed that feature out in a firmware update and noone really seems to have challenged them on it. I expect with this recent coverage, we'll see that.

Tesla doesn't do recalls. They have OTA software updates

They do actually, remember the titanium protective plate retrofit a year or so back on the Model S? There have also been various drive train issues and such.

IIRC think the Model X had a problem with the headrest already that resulted in full recall.

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