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From their FAQ:

> Where is my data stored?

> Your data will be stored in our fallout shelter, located 25 meters under the ground in Paris, France, starting in September 2016.

So where is it for now? And like Backblaze, a single site storage solution means you should only consider this as an extra backup (not primary storage).

There's a note that in September they'll also be expanding to offer multisite, but don't have pricing yet for that (hopefully just 2-3x depending on number of sites)

I'm curious about the 40 TB per archive limit. Is that some sort of equivalent to a full back blaze storage pod? I can't imagine an S3/GCS bucket restriction like that, so I'm curious how customers will be expected to work around it.

Disclosure: I work on Google Cloud (but not on GCS).

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"I can't imagine an S3/GCS bucket restriction like that, so I'm curious how customers will be expected to work around it."

Amazon S3 has a 5TB object size limit and only 5GB (!) can be uploaded in a single PUT[1]. Different limits, but still something people have to work around.

An actual filesystem on ZFS makes all of these limits disappear. Does anyone offer cloud storage based on that ?

Man, that would be awesome.

[1] http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/dev/UploadingObje...

> An actual filesystem on ZFS makes all of these limits disappear. Does anyone offer cloud storage based on that ?

rsync.net advertises

> a ZFS filesystem, accessible with any SSH/SFTP tool, running on a UNIX system.

You're paying for that though, rsync.net starts at 8c/GB/month (for 10+TB), the smallest offering (under 1TB) is 20c/GB/month), by comparison S3 is 2.75c to 3c/GB/month in standard storage (and 1.25c/GB/month for IA)

Apparently you didn't notice who you were replying to.

rsync.net charges more for data at rest but they don't charge for downloads which is a significant savings for some use-cases. Also note that AWS's IA storage has a $0.01/GB retrieval charge on top of their standard data transfer out charges.

I'd be really curious to know why rsync.net is so expensive. Is there something inherently costly about scaling a ZFS based filesystem like this?

I expect part of it is a difference in the domains they charge for: rsync.net charges for storage but not transfers.

We offer unlimited technical support and integration engineering for even the smallest customers.

You can emergency page us on Christmas day.

We'll set up "pull" jobs on our end to pull the backups from you.

These things are very valuable to some people ...

I can definitely see the value in those things but I think there's also a place for "dumb" storage. Some people want that great support, some people don't need it.

I'm in the latter category and I'd rather have the choice to pay for it than be forced into it, which is why despite loving the trial I had with you guys, I couldn't justify continuing.

"You're paying for that though, rsync.net starts at 8c/GB/month (for 10+TB), the smallest offering (under 1TB) is 20c/GB/month), by comparison S3 is 2.75c to 3c/GB/month in standard storage (and 1.25c/GB/month for IA)"

Actually, the ZFS send/recv capable accounts start at 6 cents and go down from there. There's a bit of a cost reduction since we don't create and maintain snapshots for you - you take care of that yourself, with your own zpool at rsync.net.

Email us. We'll talk.

Yes, Joyent with Manta. Not sure if that was just a setup for them, or an actual question.

https://www.joyent.com/manta

Yes, multi-location will be proposed in September, you will be able to choose each location where you want your archive. The 40TB limit came from the temporary storage plateform who need to be fully provisioned for each active archives. This temporary storage is free of charge, we had to put some limitations to keep reasonable plateform. https://blog.online.net/content/images/2016/07/c14howitworks... The backend storage pool (The "C14 cloud") is near unlimited.

Good to know. So what facility are you in currently? And how much bandwidth do you have? (i.e., if I want to get 25 TB out for recovery, how long will that take in the best case?)

Online DC2, Paris, France http://www.iliad-datacenter.fr/datacenters/dc2 (French)

it is expected to take a few hours to un-archive datas as for the bandwidth, we have well enough (we have about 1.5tb/s global external capacity at the moment with various global IXes and many tier1 transits), the C14 platform network itself is designed to scale very easily (10g/40g unit base connections)

Mik (Online.net network)

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