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Why is this insulting?

For many people, "internship" means unpaid, that might be the source of the insult.

I remember trying to recruit javascript programmers from the local maker/artist community, offering an internship that paid, I forget exactly, but something around $35/hour, which I thought was reasonable for an entry-level programmer. I got no responses, and later learned that my call was widely talked about as a scam, since everyone knew internships were unpaid or at best carried an honorarium.

Why call it an internship? Why not just say "hiring jr dev"? And... $70k/year for a jr dev is still pretty high for a lot of areas.

I wouldn't want to hire a programmer who is willing to work for less than 70k (in the US)

Think this depends on where you live...

Seriously, I've got 5 years experience and I'm making $86/K per year. Granted it's a startup, but where I live the market is pretty depressed. Anytime you see a Bay Area company relocate or open an office here you can guarantee it's to pay low wages, and they usually try lower than market.

Hey, a lower cost of living is something we can all get behind.

Well, I have a higher cost-of-living than Atlanta but could probably make $20k more by moving there. Then again I can go to the beach at 13.00 on any given day of the week so I guess I'm paying the coastal tax. Life's full of compromises I suppose.

This sounds like a large reason we have employment problems in the US, and frankly it stinks of the "old scouts" in the book+movie "Moneyball". Engineers aren't known for their social networking and sales prowess. IMHO, engineers are among the most likely population to undervalue themselves in their early career.

It's difficult and time-consuming to on-board and train a programmer / developer / software engineer, but every programmer needs to start somewhere. I consider myself lucky in that I worked my way through college as a web developer for companies in Silicon Valley. If I didn't have my social network of other local engineering students, I would probably have started my career around $70k-$80k. I suspect that programmers in extremely rural parts of the US (like Alabama, West Virginia, Wyoming) would be lucky to find $70k/year.

Internships tend to be finite, and usually last 1 summer or semester. A "jr dev" would imply a career path.

I guess it's a regional thing. In the UK, they tend to be paid (In my experience, at least).

I don't know how you learned that, but it's not the real reason you got no responses. It simply can't be. Programming internships universally pay. It might not be that way in other fields, but it's well known to be the case in tech.

I think it's because the parent would expect a job offer instead of an internship.

That seems like an unreasonable expectation, considering he's still in full-time education - so he wouldn't be likely to accept a job offer in any case.

It sounds like he only found XSS, which isn't exactly worthy of a job offer anyway.

> isn't exactly worthy of a job offer anyway.

1) XSS is game over for sites with authentication. What kind of vulnerabilities do you think are more important than XSS?

2) XSS is a result. There are a lot of complicated XSS bugs.

Yup planning on going to college so not interested in any full time job offers (though I have received them...).

> Dworken, who graduated on Monday from Maret high school in Washington, D.C.

I would've loved an internship as a new high school grad... most people don't get a tech internship till 2 or 3 years into college.

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