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Isn't any such problem brewing for thousands of years? Mass murder of Muslims is a problematic statement. On one hand, any situation where there is more than a few dozen or a couple hundred deaths could be considered a mass murder, but on the other - which conflict/war doesn't come with that? Not to mention that the noumbers that were reported by CNN were a heavy propaganda. Kosovo conflict was one example of Balkan conflict that did not bring death even close on the scale of other conflict. Now, the finale: during the war, propaganda said 100,000 dead. After the war, the count stopped at 3,000 (the population was roughly under 2 million) [1] And, there are roughly 1,000 missing Serb civilians that were taken by albanian rebels/terrorists and used for organ transplants. [1]http://www.newstatesman.com/node/138456 [2]English wikipedia as the further reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_War

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Yes, any ethnic conflict has typically been brewing for thousands of years. Particularly one in the Balkans. Therefore claims that "it all started with" something in 1999 is disingenuous.

I see this as an attempt to justify or belittle the organized ethnically/religiously motivated murders of Muslim men in Kosovo, and then when that was stopped by Western nations, somehow being responsible for starting the radicalization of the said Muslim population.

As said, a larger responsibility lies with the salafists.

THe parent comment looks like classic, cheap propaganda to me -- complete with mostly fabricated organ harvesting accusations, similar to the ones often made against Israel. Regarding that "roughly 1,000 missing Serb civilians that were taken by albanian rebels/terrorists and used for organ transplants", the Wikipedia article referred actually says:

> In July 2014, Clint Williamson, the lead prosecutor with the task force, told a press conference in Brussels that unnamed “senior officials of the former Kosovo Liberation Army” will face indictments for crimes against humanity and other abuses. He said there were “compelling indications” that “a few individuals were killed with the intention of extracting their organs” by KLA fighters, but the allegations that hundreds of prisoners were killed and their organs sold was “totally unsupported”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organ_theft_in_Kosovo

The civilians are still missing after 17+ years. They were adopted by the terrorists. Whether it can be proven (by whom?) that they ended in that particular yellow house or not is of less importance.

Of course, you failed to mention, or didn't know, that only 50 years before the conflict, the ethnic structure was:

1953: 65% Albanians vs 23% Serbs

In the eve of the 1999 bombing, it was:

1991: 82% Albanians vs 10% Serbs

And after the bombing and separation:

2011: 93% Albanians vs 1.5% Serbs

So, Albanians jumped from 65% to 93% and Serbs virtually disappeared from 23% to 1.5% in just 60 years. So, can you tell me - how's that explained?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kosovo

Again, quite obviously, what happened between 1953 and 1991 cannot be something that "all started with" bombings in 1999.

None of this is a good explanation for why Muslims are currently being lured by extremist preachers with Middle Eastern funding.

Many Kosovars moved to Albania to escape the war by Serbia. Did the same thing happened with Serbians living in Kosovo?

Definitely. And it did not start from the 1990's Balkans war, it's older than that.

http://www.transconflict.com/2013/05/reasons-and-causes-of-s...

The idea that Serbian emigration from Kosovo was a problem was brought out for the first time by Dobrica Ćosić in 1968, but this was censored by the Communist authorities. In the early 1970s, a number of Kosovo Serb officials raised the issue in Kosovo’s party organs of the province’s growing Albanization and the problems this posed for the non-Albanian population.

Birth rate gap? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Serbia It happens everywhere that Islamic ethnic groups replace others with population explosion.

Birth rates may be somewhat different, but I don't that's so significant. In the case of former Yugoslavian states, what has happened is that ethnic groups, which formerly used to live in mixed areas, have moved away and concentrated each on their own area.

Serbs have moved to Serbia, Croats to Croatia, Muslims have moved out of these. This was result of a mix of fear, actual violent ethnic cleansing by extremists, but also within each population, just a desire to live within one's own ethnic and religious enclave.

I'd love to know what birth rate gap explains a 85% drop in population in 20 years.

And the ethnic cleansing is happening everywhere in Europe now. Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about.

> Muslim enclaves with only tiny amounts of non-muslims are a fact in every Western European city I know about.

That's a ridiculous claim.

Here's a list of largest cities in the European Union by population within city limits. This list ranges from cities with population over 8million (London) to 315,000 (Catania).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities_in_the_...

You have no idea what happens in most of those cities, yet you make this claim anyway.

And you focus on muslims, ignoring the strong tendency of some (but not all) immigrants to live in communities.

When I do it I'm an ex-pat. When they do it they're evil muslim scum, right?

EDIT: You may wish to re-read dang's comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11518006

And here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10897270

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