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4.000€ is not really going to make a difference for anyone looking at higher end cars. Even an i3 is 34.000€ and I believe the VW e-golf is in the same price range.

What low end electric cars are available in Germany? Nissan Leaf 21.000€, Renault TWIZY 7.000€, Renalt Zoe 21.500, Mitsubishi MIEV 24.000€.

Any others in this price range (<25.000€)?

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Just take a look at normal cars.

E.g. Ford Focus Sedan is starting at 17.000$, 2.0 Liter Engine, 160 horsepower.

Now take a Ford Focus from Germany with a comparable Engine (1.5L EcoBoost with 150 horsepower) Starting price is at 26.500$.

Audi A3 in Germany is starting at about 26.800 Euro.

Cars in the United States are way cheaper than in Germany.

So 4.000 Euro is quite some money to get EVs and normal cars into the same pricerange.

4.000€ is not really going to make a difference for anyone looking at higher end cars. Even an i3 is 34.000€ and I believe the VW e-golf is in the same price range.

I wonder what the leasing options look like. In the U.S. the i3 has an absurd $40K+ sticker price. But BMW is offering leases that cost $~330/mo: http://www.bmwusa.com/bmw/special-offers/lease/2015-BMW-i3-w..., which is much more attractive and reasonable.

Not sub-25k but the Kia Soul EV looks to be around 29.000€ and is a way better car imho than the i3 and e-golf. The 4k subsidy brings it just under the 25k mark.

Disclaimer: I've test-driven all three and now 'own' a 2016 Kia Soul EV.

Peugeot i-On and Citroen C-Zero (19.000€). However these will likely not become cheaper because of the 2000€ mandatory manufacturer rebate.

Also look at the VW e-up!

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