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> This sort revolutionary fervor is generally counterproductive

Do you have evidence for this claim? because to my mind, the exact opposite is true.

I completely agree with OP. I'd prefer Bernie but would take Trump. Some other users were quite rude saying you have to be an idiot to think a rich person would help poor people. I think that's a pretty silly statement, take Bill Gates for instance.

IMHO, members of HN are the vocal minority in their outright hatred for Trump. He will most certainly win the nomination if he goes against Hillary.

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"IMHO, members of HN are the vocal minority in their outright hatred for Trump"

Trump (followed by Clinton) is the most disliked candidates in (at least modern) US history.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-distaste-for-b...

That's fascinating when coupled with the black swan of Trump and the near black swan of Sanders. Note the fact that dislike for elected candidates has been rising for quite some time. The general theme is that Americans are done with the status quo.

>The general theme is that Americans are done with the status quo.

And yet it's impossible to win a general election without appealing to moderates and independents.

Independent voters are a very different thing than moderates, though; and, various studies have shown that they are as consistent in their major party voting behavior as major party voters. Often, rather than moderates, they are either people that, in addition to their preferences on the axis dividing the major parties, have strong preferences that don't fall on that axis and thus feel insufficiently represented by the nearest major party, or people who have positions that fall on roughly the same axis that divides the major parties, but are at a more extreme position on that axis than the nearer major party.

Elections are one more turnout among the people usually inclined to vote for your party (whether members of independents) than by "swinging" votes that might go either way.

Trump is like Berlusconi in a lot of ways. His time in power or looming in opposition was mostly a couple of lost decades for Italy.

So you support stopping any Muslims from visiting the US?

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