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Why the NYC Startup Scene is Hot (Hint: Not Fred Wilson)

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Do we really need to see these 'This is why NYC is awesome for startups' posts every week?

I mean I'm getting sick of these and I live here. I can only imagine how non-New Yorkers feel about them.

Living in Seattle was the same thing. Tons of people who had a chip on their shoulders about the Bay Areas's startup scene. It was a constant onslaught of locals trying to prove that Seattle's was just as vibrant.

NYC here, and I am really sick of hearing about this.

I just don't care anymore.

I think a big factor of "why now in NYC?" was the recession: with firms collapsing, job security at an all time low, and dismal salary and bonu$ prospects, all the talented individuals that had flocked to Wall Street and hedge funds were now leaving or forced out. This yielded two things: smart, networked, tech savvy individuals that had monetary padding (via a few years of pulling down salaries and bonuses back in the gilded era) to bootstrap an idea and the network to tap into AND investment oriented folks looking for opportunities that offered a better ROI than the dismal public capital markets'.

There's some truth to this, but it's probably overstated. Almost all of the smart people on Wall Street are quants and, except in large-scale layoffs, they aren't likely to be let go.

Also, the deciding factor regarding whether New York can become an innovation/startup hub will be if the rents come down fast enough. So far, signals are mixed but more negative.

Agreed - likely not any one thing, but a combination of several trends.

Quants are smart, but not necessarily in a startup way - they could definitely be on the startup team (build the product, crunch the data, etc.), but might not be the best fit as a founder (obviously this is a sweeping generalization, but so was your "almost all of the smart people on Wall Street are quants")

There are plenty of other smart people that make up Wall Street (traders, investment bankers, pwm, sales / marketing) and likely better equip to take on the multi-faceted beast that is a startup venture. Also, few were safe in 09, regardless of what role they filled.

Rents in New York definitely need to come down in order for the innovation / startup hub to continue it's upward move ... having banks and funds recover and salary / bonus talk coming back will not help either.

First of all, I think our financial crisis/recession is doomed to have a "W" shape. We're going to dip again; it's unclear when. This is because, despite the bailout, there hasn't been any material change in the workings of Wall Street; we've merely reduced the number of players.

Wall Street salaries will always be high relative to other industries, but what will change post-crash (the upcoming one) is that the industry will employ fewer people. We'll have as many if not more billionares made by hedge funds, but the number of players is going to drop considerably, and Wall Street will no longer be able to singularly support the Manhattan economy (and no industries other than finance and "biglaw", whose clients are mostly Wall Street firms, pay sufficiently to support these prices). This will be good for New York's diversity and character; bad for real estate prices. But it could easily take 5-10 years before RE prices revert to a reasonable level. In that time, the talent will have moved elsewhere.

There are a ton of smart people on Wall St who aren't quants. And I personally know startups being started because of exactly what the parent said.

Incidentally based on my experience of NY, a seldom noticed major drag on startups is that by default if you create a startup while working for someone else, your employer can declare it a work for hire and just take all of the associated intellectual property. (Said default is reinforced by the standard employment contracts.) In California your right to own what you do in your own time with your own property is protected by state law. This is huge.

How many startups never happen because people have been burned by this, or know people who have been burned by this?

There are a ton of smart people on Wall St who aren't quants.

I'm including the smart traders who aren't considered quants now but would have been classified as quants 5 years ago.

How many startups never happen because people have been burned by this, or know people who have been burned by this?

I haven't heard of it, but it may happen.

Just to be clear, I'm not hating on investors. I just think that often they get a disproportionate amount of credit and glory as compared to the founders who slave away in anonymity for long periods in an effort to create something of value. VC's have their place, but it is not at the center.

Sure, but when you're talking about what makes a place better than another for startups, what matters is not who's more important, but what the limiting factor is.

And to me it seems clear that in NYC it's investors, not entrepreneurs. Sure there might be tons of smart & innovative hackers here. But if most of them aren't going to get funded, then they're gonna move to the Valley.

(I realize more investors could move here/get started here, and it does seem to be happening, but they have much more inertia and are rich, so they don't have to move, unlike most cash-strapped entrepreneurs looking for the next bit of funding that will allow them to really expand.)

I think people who invest their own money deserve as much credit as founders, because they're taking personal risk. Institutional VCs, not as much; the worst thing that can happen to them is that it takes 10 years to have a hit and become partner instead of 5, whereas entrepreneurs are out of a job if they fail.

Name ten startups that are awesome from NYC off the top of your head. Ten with products you use at least once a week? I live in NYC, and am happy to see things growing, but NYC is not 'on fire.'

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