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What structural guarantees have you embedded in your corporate structure to ensure that data won't be rendered inaccessible if you have to shut the system down due to acquisition or lack of funding?

Well the reason we're actually charging for Larder rather than pursuing some kind of "growth" strategy is to do our best to avoid going out of business due to lack of funding. We're building a lifestyle business rather than a startup, to be honest, and it's highly unlikely we'll ever get acquired either. We just want to make a living building things and selling them (unusual, I know). So while I can't make any guarantees, what's most likely is that if Larder ever does shut down or go away, it'll be through a decision we make personally, and so we'll provide plenty of time to export your data (which is already possible from the account page, whenever you'd like it) before taking it offline.

How would you like such a guarantee implemented? Maybe something involving a third party?

Do some form of local caching and p2p distribution.

I don't see this kind of software needing to be managed by a third party. This is easily something doable with a p2p protocol.

How does this compare to Pinboard.in? I have used Pinboard for a while and would try this if I didn't have to sign up via a second-level form page just to see a demo. I'd be 100% more willing to sign up if you had a simple "demo" sandbox account that was cleared each day or something. I know this sounds incredibly apathetic on my part, but you're pandering to developers, a notoriously lazy crowd. EDIT: Lazy meaning "why do more work than necessary" not "poor, sloppy work"

The tag/folder system is not specifically useful just for developers and the only other major feature is integration with GitHub.

As far as i can see, this is not bookmarking for all developers, but rather the subset of developers that use GitHub. Although this might be a rather large part of developers (maybe even most), it would be misleading to imply that this is for all developers.

We're still quite early on in building it, but the missing things you'd expect like an API and mobile clients are in the works. If you sign up and find you'd like something else that's missing, feel free to vote or suggest things on our public Trello roadmap [1]. We want to keep adding more features that aid developer productivity, so if you have related ideas we're keen to hear them.

[1]: https://trello.com/b/0gw1nPAH/larder-roadmap

suggestions - I imported 1000+ starts to the 'coding' folder, to re-organize them, I wish I can multi-select on the right list and drag them to any of the folders. - I was I can modify tags like in gmail web. - The search is far from usable yet - assume I've got a tag called 'fuck-gfw', I entered 'gfw' but got nothing.

Hope it helps.

You can select multiple by hitting "manage" and then using the checkboxes that appear. Sorry that isn't clear.

Search does partial matches for url, description, title etc., but tags are the one thing that do require a full match. If you type '#fu' into the search, for example, you'll get a '#fuck-gfw' suggestion. (I have no idea what GFW is by the way, so I cannot approve or condone this sentiment)

Oh, actually I tried typing #f, but the suggestions did not come up in a timely manner so I missed it.

Re. GFW, it's a nightmare of all Chinese information workers including programmers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Firewall)

This looks like a great idea! I've been using Pocket for storing dev stuff with the intention of organising it, but never get around to reading anything. Hopefully having folders will help.

Really, as long as I can quickly assign or create a category at the time I saved the bookmark, I'll be happy.

It would be nice if it would show favicons for the links.

I'll add it to the suggestions in the roadmap.

Love it. But I don't understand this bit:

https://larder.io/account/

    Bookmark limit
    Trial: 1/day
    Paid: Unlimited

So far that's not true, unless I'm reading it wrong. I've started a trial account and have bookmarked at least 20 sites. Is there a restriction I'm missing here?

Sorry this isn't clear. The trial restriction only kicks in after the first day, so that when you first sign up you can go nuts testing it out. I'll add that clarification to the account or upgrade page somewhere.

Oh. Now I wish I didn't ask, haha. 1 link per day is a pretty steep restriction.

You'd think so, but a bunch of users who keep happily using Larder without paying for it say otherwise! It seems like plenty of people don't hit that limit. I probably wouldn't either, actually. It's a tricky balance, because it has to be a high enough limit to still be useful (apparent tick) but low enough to encourage upgrading (uh,not enough data yet). It is a free trial and not a free tier, after all — the idea is that if you find you're using it regularly and hitting the limit, then perhaps you might be interested in paying for it.

Really appreciate your perspective. Looking forward to giving it a shot. I've found Pocket to be bloated and getting slower and slower in China, so the speed and minimal UI is really attractive to me.

You are not showing (in the open page, not registered) what the application is for, how it looks, how it feels or the differences between paying or not.

Some of this information should be shown (differences in pricing), some could be shown via a demo account like kfrz suggested.

Right now your price for entry (filling a form, sharing our info) is too high for just getting to know the most basic information.

Cool idea, I like it. I've been using Evernote for all my bookmarking needs and while it fulfills the purpose, I wouldn't mind trying something new. If you can, do you mind comparing Larder with other more generic services like Evernote/Pocket?

This looks cool. What is the major differentiator for those of us using Chrome logged in with a Google account?

I see that the GitHub stars are synced, but is there anything else? Is this supposed to be used to bookmark GitHub repos only, or as a more general tool?

It's a general bookmarking tool that is focused on developer use-cases.

As I mentioned in another thread, in the future we'll be working on other developer-oriented features like an API, webhooks, maybe Stack Overflow integration or a CLI client, depending on what users want. GitHub sync is just the first big feature :)

Is it possible to save snippets from pages, or just bookmarks?

No, we're going for straight bookmarking — more Delicious than Evernote.

What makes this more then other simlilar services fit for developers ?

I'm not aware of any other bookmarking services specifically tailored towards devs, so I can't speak to that. In terms of what we do differently to other general bookmarking services, our big one right now is the GitHub integration — we sync your starred repos as bookmarks, tag them by language automatically, and also sync related metadata like last release and commit date. I find it really handy to have my bookmarks and stars in one spot, because I save a lot of dev-related resources and I can never remember, did I bookmark an article about that library or did I star its repo? Now I can just look in the one spot for everything. Also, the metadata on last commit etc is very handy for keeping an eye on how active libraries are without having to watch them and wade through the full feed of their issues, etc.

In the future we'll be working on other developer-oriented features like an API, webhooks, maybe Stack Overflow integration or a CLI client, depending on what users want.

I.E.: Pinboard continues to exist, so why would anyone choose Larder? The Github integration is neat, but there isn't much difference between this and just pinning repos, or a Zapier + Pinboard/Pocket/whatever recipe to save starred repos. (or just...starring repos? which is already a form of stored bookmark?) I dunno, having a hard time seeing a value proposition here.

"Bookmarking for developers"

Click "Sign Up"

No github connect.

Bye-bye.

You're correct, we don't use GitHub for social sign-in. You connect a GitHub account in the next step of the signup process.

Is there a particular reason you don't use it for login if it is required on the next step anyway?

It's not required, it's an option if you want to sync starred repos.

Please don't do the snarky dismissal thing here. It's particularly excluded from Show HNs: https://news.ycombinator.com/showhn.html.

If the absence of a Github login is an important point, you're welcome to make it substantively.

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