Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight
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It's not.
It's saying that if a person's goal is to lose weight, then adjusting to a good diet is far more important than (a reasonable amount of) exercise.
The article does not claim that exercise is harmful. In fact, it explicitly states that there are very many health reasons why exercise is important, and that exercise+diet is still better than diet alone.
It also goes into the culture surrounding exercise, and how it tends to be misleading. The education in popular culture around exercising presents it as a magic pill, as being a major driving force behind weight loss. You see this on magazine covers and on tv, "belly fat exercises", "toning exercises", all sorts of exercises that serve to reinforce the idea that weight is primarily a result of physical activity rather than (for most people) food consumption.
Ultimately though, I think the studies referenced back up the conclusion pretty well: weight loss effectiveness goes diet+exercise > diet > exercise, given standard amounts of each.
diet & exercise >> diet >>>>>>>> exercise
I like this quote: "You work hard on that machine for an hour, and that work can be erased with five minutes of eating afterward"
weight comes from your mouth, not from the gym
abs are made in the kitchen
80% diet, 20% training
Obviously, it varies person to person - if someone enjoys a team sport enough to exercise and still combine it with good diet, great. Those people don't tend to be the ones struggling with weight loss, however.
When I was running regularly, I could see my heart rate go down day after day when I measured it right after I woke up.
Don't exercise to lose weight. Exercise to keep healthy. If you want to lose weight, you need to keep an eye on your calorie intake more than you keep an eye on the calories you burn. Not everybody can perform a 2000-calorie workout in one go.
The most accurate title would be "Don't exercise in order to earn the right to eat junk food later". Which is the meager point they're actually making.
The article deserves all the criticism - it has been designed specifically to provoke it. Journalists love to divide ho-hum issues into polarized opposing sides.
Except that's not the only point the article makes. You might disagree with the title, but the article does attempt to back it up.
Many paragraphs are dedicated to explaining why for many people, exercising might actually be harmful to their weight loss goals, due to how we tend to overestimate how many calories were burned and other factors (such as studies showing that the body may attempt to balance energy output in other areas).
In that sense "Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight" is precisely the thesis that the article is trying to support. You might disagree with it, but I don't really think its egregious clickbait. Even if the title is meant to be catchy and provocative. They clearly state why exercising could be detrimental to weight loss goals for some people.
Things that the article title doesn't say:
- You should never exercise to lose weight
- Exercise is bad for you
- You can only lose weight by dieting
The actual number of calories burned exercising is unaffected by our mental estimates. Thinking you earned the right to eat junk food is the problem, not exercise.
This is similar to the problem of calories in = calories out. Dieting isn't a chemistry equation where you just need the numbers to balance it, it's psychology and in some cases physiology (leptin levels, etc), and that part of it is tricky.
Anyways, parent comment didn't say to starve yourself. It said to learn to be okay with being a bit hungry. Instead of learning to be okay with the feeling of hunger, people learn to be okay with the equally unpleasant feeling of being stuffed.
I did bodybuilding for ~5 years and did the whole bulk/cut cycle every 3-4 months so I had quite a few cutting session and a few times I let myself go (30-40lbs overweight) and had to lose more than 10-15lbs; in those instances I did IF (Intermittent Fasting) and ate in 6-7 hour windows (evening). The first week or so you get pretty hungry in the morning, but after that it's pretty easy.
I only say this because I want to express that I'm familiar with just being a bit hungry vs much more than that. When I was 19 I lived with a friend and we were both broke, I dropped from 180lbs to 145lbs (on my frame that was skeletal) in a few months from not eating much at all. That was pretty severe hunger, but even my ravenous after swimming isn't as bad as that was.
FWIW, and if it matters at all, I'll be 39 in a month.
Between these two habits, I've killed the post-swim binge. Hope it works for you too!
That means you'd need 5 drinks to complete just one length of an olympic-size swimming pool! :)
eww
(I once drank a mouthful of pool water as a kid and got a really awful headache shortly thereafter. I suppose I'm lucky that's all I got.)
I can't count the number of times my teammates and I would eat a party pack of tacos each afterwards. That's not healthy.
It also leads to a different lifestyle if I may say so. Being sedentary means low amount of sensation, leading to the eating for pleasure reflex, all this without a way to consume. Sport will keep you busy, probably make you feel weird, sore then not sore = good feeling. Hinting your mind that you can have good times this way.
Also, told this already, massive health failure forced me out of sugar coated, processed food and beverage. Our life styles is way too easy onto eating to satisfy our tongues and not our body. When stuck in this corner, eating raw veggies, you'll start to notice a lot of enjoyable tastes, and drop in fat aftertaste and overall a realization that how much sugar 'drugs' your brain. It's very hard to not want to take a big bite of cake or chocolate, hamburger etc etc, and inside the comfy zone of our culture, if your health allows it, you'll never have a way to sense that.
Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room.
What is going on in these peoples bodies that is kept out of popular science with regard to weight loss? We know that thyroid hormone function affects weight and metabolism. In women reproductive hormones also affect weight, oestrogen is a hormone present in both males and females, so there's some crossover there. We know that adrenal function can affect weight. We know that insulin resistance can affect weight.
There has to be more to it that calories in - calories out = weigh gain or loss.
If you have an unaddressed thyroid, reproductive hormone, insulin, or adrenal issue you're going to be working hard to address your weight.
It is my suspicion that fixing the diet first improves weight control better than exercise because food is medicine. Anything you put in your body on a daily basis can be medicinal in that it can act to help your body restore homoeostasis or move further away from it.
I'm now almost 40 years old and have never been overweight a day in my life. Over the past 20 years my weight has always stayed within about a 15 pound range no matter how much/little I ate and/or exercised.
I participated in a caloric intake study at one point in time and I had a higher caloric intake than anyone in the study group. I was not trying to eat more; it was just that until I hit my mid 20s I had to consume excessive quantities of food just to keep from losing weight.
Yes, healthy people gain weight on 5,000 calorie per day diets. No, they don't develop all the metabolic and psychological maladies described in the documentary.
If I had to choose between thermodynamics and medicine being wrong, and people not being able to accurately estimate how "much" they eat and how "little" they exercise, I'd bet all my money on the latter.
The simple reality is, people have vastly different appetites. I eat fast and am always hungry. I have two coworkers, one eats quite a bit less than me (often struggles to finish a standard portion), the other eats mich more but quite slowly.
3 different people, 3 vastly different eating habits. The reason people gain different amounts of weight most likely isn't in the differences between our bodies, but the differences between our minds.
Sure, if you're tracking your food intake closely, maintaining a significant deficit, and not losing weight, talk to a doctor about your thyroid. If you're putting in hours in the gym and eating a lot and not gaining any muscle, talk to your doctor about your testosterone level. But if you're looking to hormones and whatnot first, you're probably just deluding yourself.
Additionally, do you acknowledge that some drives are more irresistible than others? Can you hold your breath until you pass out?
Is it so hard to imagine these drives might differ from person to person? I fully acknowledge that, irrespective of your body's efficiency, if you could ignore your drive magically, you would lose weight with no problem, but that is far from a useful endpoint because the drive matters.
Ultimately it's still calories in vs out. But the out isn't just burning 500 calories running. It's what you burn doing your day to day too.
https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-peo...
Metabolic rate does vary, and technically there could be large variance. However, statistically speaking it is unlikely the variance would apply to you. The majority of the population exists in a range of 200-300kcal from each other and do not possess hugely different metabolic rates.
This is another problem that people can and have solved. You simply aren't eating as much as you think, so you take meticulous track of your caloric intake, and once you realize you eat a lot less than you thought, force yourself to eat X 100s of calories over normal intake per day. This is likely a quantity of food that causes physical discomfort initially, but it works.
Ignoring issues like Crohn's, "I can't gain weight" is just as much an excuse as "I can't lose weight", although perhaps more socially accepted due to body type voodoo.
There is. Read the "physiology" chapter at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adipose_tissue
TLDR: Blood sugar spikes above certain level are toxic, so the body responds with an emergency action of stashing the sugar wherever possible, including muscle, liver, and fat tissue. The former two are rather limited in their capacity, while the latter is unlimited. At the "hardware" level, that's all there is to obesity.
At the higher levels there are other emerging phenomena:
- This process is prone to overshooting the sugar egress, creating a "sugar crash", which has to lead to another sugar binge. This becomes an unhealthy see-saw. Note that the fat cells are consuming sugar but they can't release it back, they can only release fatty acids, hence sugar deficit must be replenished through food.
- The see-saw may end up messing the appetite and the balance of hormones that partake in regulating the metabolism. This yields the so-called "metabolic syndrome" with all its co-morbid factors: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metabolic_syndrome
- The hormonal imbalance changes the person's appetite, creating a vicious cycle.
Simple sugars are addictive. Just try going without to see how bad it can get - keep eating the fats, the meats, the complex carbs, just cut out the sugars, starches, and flours.
I disagree that qualifies as an elephant. Some of those people could have some sort of known genetic defect that makes them unable to properly digest food. Some of them do not eat as much as you think that they eat. For instance, I had plenty of snacks yesterday at a neighbor's house. They were 1 peanut and two pieces of a jerky-like thing the size of my fingernail. Without that additional information, you would have thought that I ate far more.
There's def some of that going on, but there's also a fair amount of fad diets - atkins, south beach, paleo etc etc popping up here and there.
The fact that you get the 6 pack by dieting and not by doing crunches is common knowledge in the "lifting community", on the flip side - lifting when dieting is also important to maintain body comp.
And then of course there's the obvious fact that "losing weight" != "losing fat" which makes articles like this not only click-baity but also bordering on being misinformative.
Does the article say so? And your so called "fad diets" that are low on processed carbohydrates out perform other traditional diets. I doubt that staying away from processed carbohydrates will go away any time soon.
I didn't exercise much just did some walking.
I took in less calories by eating less food for the tl:dr people.
So, based on my experience, I simply can not agree.
The exercise and better diet follow pretty easily from that.
Just as exercising cannot offset massive overconsumption of food, massive underconsumption of food will make one that is dieting feel terrible, and thus not as likely to continue.
In addition the amount of exercise done is never going to really offset a sedentary job. Someone walking on their feet all day vs me being at a desk is going to consume much more energy than me even if I workout after work intensely for an hour. So I am still going to need to consume less than them. But if I did not do the hour of exercise, my body would break down from not being used, and my overall feeling of health would decline.
I noticed there were unforseen changes in behaviour due to diet that I still find strange. Things like quitting pop. I used to grab McDonald's food more often, but since quitting pop I avoid the place. Sometimes I still grab a burger from there, like 5 times or so over the last 14 years, but I'll never get a pop and I don't have a desire to go there and still avoid it with ease.
I still think diet changes are the single most important thing, but I just don't think I could have gotten there without exercise.
I do crave it still tho, I have not found myself avoiding fast food either. With two kids under 2, it just kind of makes life easier when I make them good meals and can pick up something quick.
Ideally you and your family can get on the same page in terms of diet, but I imagine with kids that can be extremely challenging. It's worth it if you can do it.
BTW, almost all water served at restaurants in China is lemon flavored. The best halfway point I've seen is flavored soda water. Fizzy, slightly flavored, gives you some of the feeling of pop without the sugar. Still, put coke in the same fridge, and it requires some willpower to take the flavored soda water.
I'm about to start something like this as I have the 'losing weight but losing it from the wrong bits' issue mentioned in another post.
I am physically active, I don't drive, I walk around 3 to 4 miles a day as part of my commute, I go up and down three or four flights of stairs quite a lot of times a day (I'm a teacher and timetabling systems seem to have a Saltationist bias as they have us jumping between lessons) and I work mostly standing up and moving around a large room. So I imagine a vaguely similar activity profile to the hunter gatherers mentioned - I'd love more detail on miles walked per day &c.
Are you a biology teacher? I had to look that one up...
During the first month I did 5 min of stretching and then 20 min of jogging in one shot for the day. Every 3 days I would try to add 5 min. Sometimes I could, sometimes I had to back off and try a few days later. After a month I got to 45 min. I then did only 30 seconds of stretching before the jog. I did't think I needed it anymore (probably should have).
As I understand it the first 20 min of jogging doesn't really help you lose much weight, it's every minute after, for the session, that really burns fat.
As for miles walked, this was 14 years ago I didn't think or care about miles walked.
Probably not helping you, but that was my experience.
I kind of agree with the article that the diet changes are more important for the weight loss angle. However, when it comes to being healthy overall, I actually think exercise is more important. You can be overweight by BMI, physically fit, and better off overall health-wise than a thin person who is a couch potato. http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/05/can-you-be-fat-and-fit...
Anecdotally, I know someone who has gone from 300lbs to 140lbs using a combination of exercise (walking) and diet changes (Weight Watchers). I think both were equally important to her success, personally.
Some of the article to me was, er, a bit of a stretch. Take point 7: "Exercise may cause physiological changes that help us conserve energy". And the only linked citation is to a paper outlining that people with different genetic composition respond differently to exercise, and a meta study that involved both diet and exercise? "Starvation mode" to extreme diets is well documented, so where's the paper that links to just exercise causing slower metabolic change? I mean, perhaps it's possible, but it runs against the consensus I've heard, so basically, [Citation needed], because what was provided doesn't say what that paragraph said.
I do agree with the article that policy should focus on the low-quality food angle.
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I don't see how you say you simply can not agree with the article tho.
The article stipulates that exercise itself has less effect than diet. Maybe exercise helps to keep a good diet, but exercise + keeping same crapy diet won't be as effective as what you did yourself.
We can agree to disagree regarding what decision gets the credit for shedding those pounds, but in any case, congratulations on your weight loss. That's a real accomplishment.
Thanks :)
Ah well. Not terribly important when faced with the end result - you lost the weight, and that's all that matters!
Forgot to mention what you did, 45 mins of continuous activity will trigger endorphins. Cheapest way to feel euphoria (even in low intensity).
Just last week I walked back from the grocery store, taking random turns, with a steep hill at the end. Google Fit[1] tracking some data. 5 miles only, but I felt sweating in a good relaxing way.
[1] Google Fit is a very low barrier way to start tracking your exercises. It interprets accelerations good enough to distinguish car, foot or bike move. And you're happy when you get that notification buzz telling you did your planned distance|time.
Whenever I tried doing cardio exercises, I remember I would come back from the gym so hungry, I would eat a horse. And, I did. I couldn't stop -- I would eat whatever I could lay my hands on.
A couple of weeks later, my weight had in fact, increased. In my life, I have found I have been able to reduce weight only through two methods:
1. Strength training exercises + Protein (read meat) heavy diet 2. Small amount of vegetarian food three times a day
No doubt that diet+exercise is the way to go when it comes to long-term weight management. The thing is, "weight loss" in and of itself is a misleading metric. You're losing weight! Great! But hold on a minute - your gut is the same size but your biceps is smaller and your strength is way down. What happened? You lost weight alright but its muscle you're losing, not fat.
So where I'm going with this is exercise is very important to make sure you don't negatively impact your body composition by losing muscle weight when dieting.
It does seem to be tracking reasonably well - I've lost a bit of fat, but not a significant amount since then. Given what I see in the mirror, I think 16-17% is about right. There are some weird fluctuations, but we're talking 1-2% day to day. The range of the graph is about 4-5%.
The trick is to measure several times a day if you get the chance (or at the very least when you get up and when you go to bed) to smooth out any fluctuations.
If you stay active you will lose strength on a calorie deficit but you will not lose muscle mass. That's why you can do a cut, and your lifts will go down but you still look great at the lower body fat. The muscle mass is still there.
http://fitnessblackbook.com/main/starvation-mode-why-you-pro...
Someone who is out of shape might actually be able to gain both muscle and strength while losing weight when starting out as long as they are lifting in addition to cleaning up their diet/reducing calories. The less fit they are the better the gains, which I guess is borderline captn obvious territory :)
That's not true. If you're on a calorie deficit you will lose muscle mass. You'll lose less if you exercise.
#10 - eat less fat? That runs counter to science too...
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-con...
Meanwhile a cup of vegetable oil has about 1900 calories.
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fylDp1VtZbA&t=2m30s
[1] http://www.muscleandfitness.com/nutrition/meal-plans/smell-w...
Though clearly this is an exceptional event, not something I could do even semi-regularly.
Calories-in-calories-out without considering the hormones that drive both satiety and crucially fat-storage-vs-fat-mobilization (and thus drive both how many calories are craved and how many are burned) is misguided. CICO isn't wrong, but for all practical purposes what drives CICO in real life are those hormones, which are in turn affected by the ratio of fats and carbs in diet: chiefly insulin and leptin. How those are affected by 4000kcal-of-carbs-low-fat (badly) vs 4000kcal-of-fat-no-carbs (benign/beneficially) is easy to find out.
4000kcal of fat and low carbs, if one could stomach it for years, after a few weeks of keto-adaptation? They'd be a tad little bit fatter than they'd like, and feel profusely hot and sweaty. As their leptin and insulin sensitivity gets ever-better, 4000kcal will soon become impossible to stomach, however. 4000kcal of carbs and low fat for years, just become obese and get metabolic syndrome.
Your argument here boils down to: CICO is easier with a balanced diet. I don't think a reasonable person is going to argue against that.
> after a few weeks of keto-adaptation? They'd be a tad little bit fatter than they'd like
Honestly, if they could stomach it, they'd balloon up just as much as its opposite. Keto-adaptation doesn't change how your body processes fat, it just does a better job of not making a person feel ill when eating more fat in their diet.
You'd be surprised.
If eating fat satisfies you for longer than salty carbs, the net calories will be better. If it keeps your insulin levels steadier, it will effect calorie absorption. And so on.
Humans are not bunsen burners: we are impossibly complicated chemical systems with massive reflexivity built into them.
This thinking empowers so much over-eating in today's diet world. There's a trope with the broken low-fat wisdom that when you buy low-fat foods, you're almost always buying high-sugar high-salt foods (have to replace flavor somehow).
Even worse, upper intestinal lipids trigger a feeling of satiation, of fullness, through the gut–brain–liver axis.
If you deprive yourself of lipids, you deprive yourself of satiation -- eating a healthy mix of fats in your meals helps you feel more full and sated and eat overall less, and feel good about eating overall less.
Reducing fat reduces caloric intake. Note the word reduce (I even emphasized it), instead of remove, or replace. Yes, fats are a healthy part of a good diet. No, you should not omit them.
Of course, don't take my word for it. RTFOP, which made the recommendation in the first place.
Looks like you're doubling down. Your statement is 100% correct. The problem is, fat calories are more satisfying than non-fat calories, so you are more likely to eat less if you eat protein + fat instead of protein + carbs + less fat. That's just the wait it works.
The problem is that while I am a good and level-headed person, my future self is a hungry bastard.
The way I view it is to maximize the enjoyment out of food. Don't just view it as fuel to be ingested as fast as possible; savor it! Appreciate the flavor of that rice, that bacon. It may sound like becoming a food snob—which it can if one has elitist tentencies—but it's more about appreciating the components that make up the food we eat, and turning it into an art.
An implied requirement for that is to slow down and take the time to eat. There's about a 20m delay for the feedback loop of satiation to occur. So eating slowly and in courses gives our bodies the time to appreciate what is coming in and for the mechanisms to provide better feedback. I'm always amazed at how some can ingest a 1800 kcal meal in 15 minutes: no feedback can happen that fast.
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Indeed, but people who want to "lose weight" actually don't care how heavy they are, they care how they look and want "to be slimmer" which is the actual result we're trying for while colloquially using the term "lose weight" to describe that effect.
(this is of course a sweeping over-generalization where there are actually a number of other reasons, related to health, fatty liver etc...)
With a goal of "BEING SLIMMER" we're actually more interested in draining triglycerides from our fat cells so they shrink. (after that we can induce apoptosis and kill them off via freezing but that's another story).
Since the goal is to drain fat cells, we're actually better served by keeping our bodies in the state where they are "emptying the fuel tanks (stored fat)" as opposed to "burning the cheap stuff (carbohydrates)"
By reducing CARB intake we can keep the fat-cells open and draining. BUT in order to reduce carb intake, we have to replace it with a macronutrient which will induce satiety.
Dietary fat is that macronutrient.
How you feel, on the other hand, is hugely impacted by your physical activities. Not only does exercise give you energy and focus, it has a huge impact on mood. Exercise is more effective at fighting depression than most medications.
There's more to being healthy than being a healthy weight. It's probably better to be active and a little bit overweight than it is to be skinny and inactive.
Note: I said a litle bit overweight, not obese. Health risks add up quickly if you're obese. Being cut and defined like a fitness magazine model is not realistic for most people and confers few benefits beyond aesthetics. Getting out of the obese range is realistic for most people and does confer statistically significant health benefits.
Skeletal: Hard to argue that more skeletal mass is 'bad'
Muscle: Also hard to argue more is bad
Subcutaneous Fat: This is what people don't like.
Visceral Fat: This is the stuff that kills you.
If you're judging the progress of your cunning diet and exercise plan using a bathroom scale, you're going to be disappointed because muscle/skeletal mass increases.e.g. Phil Heath, Mr. Olympia winner of 2015, is 5'9" and 250 lbs at competition weight, which would classify him as severely obese (BMI 36.9), even though at that weight his body fat is probably close to the minimum a human can tolerate.
For most people, there's simply no way to build up that amount of muscle without some form of chemical assistance (e.g. steroids). If your BMI falls into the obese range, it's exceedingly unlikely that you're just big-boned and muscular.
Haven't looked at the data cited in the article, but my guess is that these studies are looking mostly at what's often defined as "moderate" exercisers, that is, people who walk an hour every day or something similarly unintensive. Which is vastly better than nothing, but it isn't exactly a hard workout like what I was engaging in, and I wouldn't expect to drop much weight if that's all I was doing.
"Based on the research, Pontzer has proposed a new model that upends the the old "calories in, calories out" approach to exercise... He calls this the "constrained model" of energy expenditure, which shows that the effect of more physical activity on the human body is not linear."
"10) So what actually works for weight loss?
At the individual level, some very good research on what works for weight loss comes from the National Weight Control Registry, a study that has parsed the traits, habits, and behaviors of adults who have lost at least 30 pounds and kept it off for a minimum of one year. They currently have more than 10,000 members enrolled in the study, and these folks respond to annual questionnaires about how they've managed to keep their weight down.
The researchers behind the study found that people who have had success losing weight share a few things in common: They weigh themselves at least once a week. They restrict their calorie intake, stay away from high-fat foods, and watch their portion sizes. They also exercise regularly.
But note: These folks use physical activity in addition to calorie counting and other behavioral changes. Every reliable expert I've ever spoken to on weight loss says the most important thing a person can do is to limit calories in a way they like and can sustain, and focus on eating more healthfully.
In general, diet with exercise can work better than calorie cutting alone, but with only marginal additional weight-loss benefits. "
It doesn't upend it, it basically just says "Don't count calorie expenditures as part of your caloric deficit", which has been standard advice for every resource I've used for quite some time.
The traditional model proposes a much simpler linear relationship: do an additional unit of exercise and you will burn X more calories, forever. He says that is incorrect and you actually get diminishing returns, where additional units of exercise burn ever fewer calories rather than just a constant.
The article goes into some detail about this, mentioning that a great deal of that research was funded by companies that make sugary drinks and other high-calorie food.
That's why I said that you have to find some compromise that works for yourself, I didn't say where that balance lay for most people.
Furthermore, the graph of energy expenditure over time (in section 10) directly agrees with what calories in/calories out predicts. See, for example, how perfectly the "very low calorie diet" agrees with the exponential decay predicted by theory.
https://www.chrisstucchio.com/blog/2011/weight_stability.htm...
I think what they mean by this is that the "calories out" portion is what is mostly wrong (or at least, misunderstood ), not that "calories in" are probably the most significant factor when it comes to fat loss. They don't seem to dispute this.
The human body is a very complex, non-linear thing. Discerning operating principles by looking solely at inputs and outputs is a hard problem.
24 miles a week is a decent bit, but it isn't that much. If you add 24 miles a week but eat a lot more, you will gain weight.
And about the food? Umm, it wasn't even close. Before the running, my idea of a snack was a little piece of cheese or a yogurt. After I started running, a snack was a Carl's Jr. Famous Star cheeseburger. Sometimes I'd order two. I became notable among my football player brothers-in-law for my capacity, regularly demonstrated, for out-eating them. My wife still talks about a particularly memorable restaurant visit where I basically ate 3 large, complete entrees. My calorie intake was ridiiiiiculous. Eating like that was both enjoyable and entertaining, and it didn't seem to interfere with my fitness, so I did it all the time.
And still I lost weight. Crazy. The body is a strange machine.
This is one of the many problems with the calorie in, calorie out line of reasoning that seeks to treat the human body like an automobile that uses fuel solely based on pressing the accelerator. What we're finding is that this isn't the case. For one, the body isn't 100% efficient, so a lot of calories in are lost in ways that aren't "burned." It's also likely that the body of a sedentary person is burning calories fairly inefficiently, so a change to being more active without altering diet will just cause that body to be more efficient in how it burns calories rather that burning fat or muscle reserves.
Calories in, calories out is an attractive concept, especially to scientifically-minded people who love the simplicity of deriving the answer by applying a fundamental law of thermodynamics. But the more we dig into the subject, the more we're realizing that it's a wrong-headed approach. The body is much more complex than that. We need a much more nuanced approach to nutrition, though "carbs are bad" seems to be a pretty good approximation of it.
The article says exercise is, "only around 10 to 30 percent [of total energy expenditure] depending on the person (and excluding professional athletes that workout as a job)," implying that when you are doing lots and lots of hardcore exercise almost every day, it will use up a greater percentage of calories.
I recall another study -- no idea where I'd find it now -- which did body scans of runners. They found that runners which averaged 11mi/wk had substantial interior fat deposits. Runners that averaged 17mi/wk had very little.
Actually, did a bit of Googling, looks like it might have been a study by Dr. Uwe Schütz published in 2009, found a mention of it here: http://www.runnersworld.co.uk/weight-loss/running-the-life-s...
This only allows for increased caloric output - and it's relatively simple to do 500 kcal/additional aerobic exercise/day - an hour of brisk walking, with maybe 30 minutes of stair climbing does the trick. This gets you from 1 pound of weight loss a week, to 2 pounds, and has the additional benefit of increasing your VO2 Max.
This doesn't even touch on the importance of resistance strength training exercise, and how key that is to maintaining a healthy body while dropping weight - it's all to easy to turn into a lightweight flabby weak person by just not eating/exercising.
>We have no control over our basal metabolic rate
and then links to a page[1] that explains
>Muscle cells require more energy to maintain than fat cells, so people with a higher muscle to fat ratio tend to have a higher BMR.
and
>Muscle tissue burns more calories than fat tissue, so increasing your muscle mass will help you lose weight.
It doesn't seem to address this discrepancy, though (that by exercising to build muscle mass one can affect their BMR and thus the lion's share of the calories burned).
[1] http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/loseweight/Pages/how-can-I-speed-...
Not all exercise is created equal. Exercise that doesn't build muscle is indeed ineffective at burning fat. But exercise that DOES build muscle has a compounding effect on burning fat. Your muscles require more energy to maintain, so they will burn more calories just by existing.
It still matters, a few calories a day for a year ends up being pounds of weight, but adjusting calories out of the diet is going to be a better first strategy.
I find that surprisingly low, and that's even if we're talking 100% sedentary here.
I just spent the last several minutes reading reputable sources and they all seem to agree with you. In fact, they indicate a pound of muscle burns more like 6 calories.
You win, Internet.
In fact, the muscle-building type of exercise (lifting) is hilariously bad at burning any kind of energy. Here is a rough estimate:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(30*500)kg+.5+meter+aga...
That doesn't change the calculus, obviously. I can easily sustain 150W for an hour on a bike, I can't lift 225kg half a metre against gravity 500 times (the equivalent).
(The idea here is that you try to back up lofty claims with some science numbers.)
Start playing with the numbers and Weight lifters can get into crazy high energy diets.
PS: Works out to around 110kg / ~.82 ~= 135kg max lift. At 230 lb the record is 246 kg so it's not that unreasonable a goal for a fairly large guy.
Meanwhile, you can do 150W on a bike all day, just keep adding CHO.
Rowing is a good example of this, but as 110kg is easily twice the power output of biking you can drop down to 50% max lift range and be limited by oxigen not mussel damage.
Or put another way top weightlifter need to eat significantly more than top bikers who top out at around 8k cal per day.
Longer cool down periods (3-5 min) helps build strength faster and let's each set be more anaerobic and higher weight, but short cool down periods and slightly lower weight adds endurance and strength, plus more repetition.
The other benefit of aerobic weightlifting is you can better learn to minimize anaerobic activity. Full power all the time seems great, but being dead on your feet in 30 minutes is rarely useful.
A more contemporary discussion would include the idea that the different state of being caused by exercise causes less food intake ... which incidentally is true for me personally.
It is entirely possible that people that exercise regularly never have any trouble with their weight and thus never show up in these studies.
Plenty of people on HN strongly think this.
The nutrition discussion on HN is normally fucking terrible. (See this thread where someone talks about "the science" and links to the Guardian as a reference).
Weight started coming off but it really accelerated when I got serious about exercising. Swimming a mile 3x per week. Weight training 3x per week, and I've been on the treadmill a lot in the evenings, probably another 15 miles per week fast walking. Down 60 lbs as of now and consistently losing around 3-4 pounds per week.
It's hard to keep calories at less than 1800 per day with all the exercise, but it's just a hard psychological limit I've set for myself and the myfitnesspal app (and a kitchen scale) make it doable.
It seems to me that the exercise has made me lose about 1-2 pounds per week more than just diet, but who knows.
I miss pizza.
it's nothing close to real pizza but maybe it works as placebo effect ;)
A couple years ago, I started using Fitbit and increased my exercise significantly. I lost 5 pounds a month for 6 straight months.
Whenever I see obese people out running in public, obviously attempting to lose weight, these thoughts come to mind:
1. Impressive; that's a lot of hard work, not to mention embarrassing. Nobody fit I know could do the same carrying the equivalent weight in a backpack full of sand.
2. Doomed; you're killing yourself, imagine the long-term effects of such stress on your lower joints.
3. Futile; you're probably just going to eat too much of the wrong stuff now with all the appetite stimulated by the hard work, combined with the comfort sought in the immobilized and depressed days of joint and muscle pain.
Lose the extra baggage before you start exercising! Your body will thank you.
I used to weigh ~225# in my mid 20s. That weight was dropped to ~170# in under a year by simply removing sugars and refined/processed carbohydrates from my diet, which is a good weight for my build and height of 5'9". My experience was the desire to be active and exercise simply emerged once my weight was down, because doing physical things became fun and easy again, which also meant it was perfectly safe.
In my mid 30s now and ever since that initial drop I've stayed around ~165#, but with more muscle now that I'm more physically active. I continue to diligently avoid sugars and processed carbs, processed foods in general really, and exercise every day for the fun and fitness, because it's easy and seems to combat many of the negative effects of aging.
Exercise seems optional to me. If you eat correctly, without even exercising you'll have a normal weight, and preserve the ability to be physically active. If you eat poorly, you trap yourself, and the only way out of the trap is a slow process of eating correctly, the duration being proportional to how far you've let yourself go.
It frustrates me how we've structured the food environment such that all the convenient/affordable options surrounding us are bad for us. It takes constant discipline to not eat poorly as a result.
Good luck.
If you practice fasting long enough, you'll eventually get used to your stomach being empty, and it won't bother you anymore. Then it becomes trivial to lose weight.
I eat only one meal a day, and I don't even notice it when its been over 24 hours I have gone without food. As an added benefit, I can have an absolute feast everyday, including a large dessert, without gaining any weight.
Weight loss seems to be a mysterious science to the everyday man and woman, but is well known by most top athletes and has been for many years.
It is simple chemistry. The calories you eat are stored in fat, which is comprised of O, H and C. Roughly ~3500 calories will become one pound of bodyfat. By this logic, yes you can eat less calories and lose weight. If you are burning 2500 calories per day, and you opt to eat only 2000 calories per day you should lose aprox. 1 lb of body fat per week (500 * 7 = 3500).
On the other hand, exercise is very important in weight loss. Muscle mass is expensive to maintain, and every lb of muscle mass can take 30-50 cals per day just to maintain. This increases your daily calories burned, allowing you to eat more food w/o weight gain or keep the same food and lose weight.
Additionally, when you exercise and convert the fat to energy the fat is released in various forms of O, H and C. Most of it is breathed out, and some comes out in liquid form. This is literally weight you are losing. Each atom has a molecular weight, be it O, H or C. And if you want to do the math you can figure out how much weight you are losing per exercise per hour.
The reason some people believe low carb diets are the best for weight loss, is directly tied to exercise. Quickly avail. energy known as glycogen is stored in your muscles and used up before fat. It is created from carbohydrates. Without glycogen in your muscles, you will burn fat first.
If you decrease your calorie intake your body compensates by lowering your metabolism. Between this and the decreased metabolic burden of carrying less fat and muscle, this is why many dieters find that their weight loss plateaus after a while of making progress.
As far as low-carb diets in particular, there are also additional factors. If you get the carbs down under about 20 carbs a day you can go into ketosis, which is a wasteful metabolism. You literally piss away some 10-20% of your calories.
But the biggest benefit of low-carb is you don't have those blasted carbs (and especially sugar!) adding calories to your diet without triggering the satiated response in your brain - you just eat less on a low-carb diet, without feeling hungry.
This is where you made a huge, unsupported-by-science leap.
Healthy eating is super super important.
Yes, and anything else would have surprised me. Exercise leads to muscle build-up. Muscle is heavier than fat.
The right metric to use here would have been body fat, not body weight. Similarly, the fitness goal should not be to "lose weight" but to get into good shape overall and feel healthy.
In my experience it's most important to find a way to eat at a caloric deficit that feels natural, do-able, and fun. Even rapid weight loss takes a very long time, so you need to build it into your lifestyle. If you're like me and you like beer, ice cream, and dining out, then it's mainly a matter of portion control. I ate what I liked, but I learned to moderate portions and listen to my body. I ate until I was no longer hungry, and then no more.
As long as you ignore the body's impulse to eat more than usual when you finally do sit down for a meal, it can very much work in your favor. There's also a phenomenon people refer to as "shrinking stomach" (that I've observed first hand) where your body adapts to feeling more full on less food. I don't know if your stomach actually shrinks, but it feels like it.
If you don't sufficiently often resist the urge to eat more than you need, your body will adapt to that intake level and there will most likely be a rough patch when you try to change the trend. I believe most people can push past this uncomfortable period and stop feeling deprived after a while.
Why not replace the phrase "lose weight" with "become slimmer"?
We're not actually concerned with losing weight, but in fact with losing a specific TYPE of weight.
It makes it a lot easier to come to terms with instructions like: "keep your insulin down and your fat cells will empty"
The scale is an imperfect measure for slimness and lose weight is the wrong phrase to describe what we're generally trying for.
Obviously these are sweeping generalizations, if you feel the need to poke holes, you're probably right. I'm going for brevity as opposed to a "think piece" - please feel free to take the comment with a grain of salt.
You can stop reading right there, that's the problem. You have to both eat well and exercise to lose weight. You don't get to eat extra things just because you exercised.
Focus on two things: First, portion control. I know it's wasteful for the environment but I get the single serving versions of (healthy) things (e.g. pre-sliced cheese, single cups of greek yogurt instead of the big tub, etc) so you know exactly how much you're eating. Get a kitchen scale and some measuring cups for everything else, the odds are excellent that you're a crappy estimator. And bring your lunch to work.
Second, blocking out time in your day for exercise, even if you don't work that hard. It's important to put on your workout clothes and at least go through the motions until it's an ingrained habit (1-3 months in my case but ymmv). Once it's an ingrained habit it's much easier to keep going. I start to feel gross and unclean if I go more than three or four days without some kind of strenuous exercise.
It's a lot of work and it's very difficult, but it's not complicated. With these two things I have lost 70 pounds and kept it off for seven years.
The problem is that what doesn't work is "strawman exercise": for instance, the kind of exercise that a sedentary volunteer test subject is able to handle in some study.
Before exercise works for fat loss, you have to train up to the intensity and volume that is required. That takes months. Consistent months during which you not only don't give up, but pile on the challenges. If you quit, you lose your progress and slide back to the start.
You can't measure exercise just by the time put in and the theoretical calories, by the way. There is a quality component to it.
Another thing is that once you have a decently low body fat, the remaining areas where fat accumulates on your body will show to be "exercise resistant". It's very hard to get rid of that centimeter of fat from the back of your thigh, calves, upper back and arms, or central abs. Or that pesky "love handle" area. That, I can attest, either can't be done with exercise, or requires exercise to be a full time job. But that's not what this article is about; the claim is that exercise isn't effective against obesity.
Also, increasing your muscle is going to increase your resting metabolic rate. So, as you exercise and get stronger, you'll burn more calories while resting. (this probably only holds for men who build muscle when they work out. if you're a marathon runner who's rail thin, I don't think you'll burn much fat at all while resting.)
I gained half of that weight that I lost back pretty quick because I couldn't keep up the strenuous exercise routine. So, the next time I instead focused on my eating habits and skipped formal exercise entirely (mostly just went for walks instead). I had much more consistent and predictable weight loss week-over-week and now I'm about to surpass the goal I had the first time I tried in 1/3 of the time. It really came down to small portions -- I didn't have to give up many types of food, I just didn't eat nearly as much of it as I would have in the past.
This echoes experiences from people I know. They start out with a strenuous exercise routine and it's fun in the beginning to push yourself, but most people can't sustain it. Or they get injured and that sets them down a path of being lazy and gaining the weight back.
Medical and nutritional science needs to advance more quickly in this regard. Currently, it's going at a snail's pace. I mean, we understand the entire creation of the universe, but the most advanced nutritionists in the world are barely aware of the basic mechanisms which govern our fat production, not even understanding how it works. So far, all we have is theories, hypothesis, correlations and some compelling experimentations.
Personally, I'm waiting for the iBody app to come out. iBody, will allow us to control our metabolism at a cellular level, dialing it up or down at will. We'll be able to control our appetites and hungers at the push of a button too. But, at this rate, who knows how long it will take to get this off the ground: 100s of years, thousands? Come on investors, this is a multi-trillion dollar market.
The world would have to look very, very different than today's for something like an iBody app to come into being. Where's the money to be made in people having that much control over themselves? The goal is to sell more (eg) donuts, not less. To defect is the norm.
This is the foundation of the whole pay-for-outcome revolution pushed by the ACA. They want to pay doctors for keeping people healthy, not for the lengths they go to fix you when you're sick.
Doing this requires more data than we have now and new market structures.
Whereas exercise is not required to lose weight, you still can use exercise to optimize the process.
Weight lifting will also not help you lose "weight" but it will help you lose fat. Diet #1, lifestyle #2, weight lifting #3 (optional), cardio #infinity
The most accurate critique of any of these "calories in minus calories out" arguments is that those vary from person to person and from food to food. So if you do have a particularly hard time losing (or gaining!) weight, it might be a bit of genetic variation.
Who is saying this? Anyone who has spent an hour educating themselves on the subject knows that it's all about calories in v calories out. That can be accomplished via the gym and the kitchen, or the kitchen alone.
Exercise provides additional benefits; higher caloric deficit assuming the same diet, muscle tone (appearance and burns more calories when you're doing nothing), and general cardiovascular health.
Don't expect to be able to exercise enough to lose much weight.
I would love to lose 11 lbs
What I did was weigh myself every morning and record my weight and body fat %. Then calculate a rolling 10 day average. That was nice because if my weight went up for a day or two but overall was trending downwards it was visible. Graphing it and watching the graph go downwards was very motivating.
If you want to be a good shape, eat fruit. Without GMO and hemicals. That's simple. Yet most people go to McDonalds, drink Coca-Cola, eat different kinds of shit and wonder "What should I do to lose weight? Hmmmm, maybe I should work out more?"
I had tried to lose some weight a few years ago and everything O tried had failed, including exercise. At one point, I purchased a digital scale and performed multiple measurements a day of my weight. They confirmed that additional exercise (e.g. walking a few miles) had negligible impact on my weight.
Afterward, I decided to redesign my diet for weight loss. I was able to lose 50 lbs in roughly 3 months by that alone. The idea was that my body had an abundance of energy such that all I needed were nutrients to keep my body going and a certain volume in my stomach to trick it into signaling my brain that I was eating sufficiently. I ended up consuming a multivitamin pill, egg whites, tofu, brocolli and fruits each day for the better part of those 3 months. I calculated that doing that lowered my daily caloric intake 800 calories a day.
Sadly, I ended up regaining about 30 of them after pressure from certain relatives to eat more got to the point where being fatter was preferable to having to deal with it. The entire time, I had been considered overweight to obese by my BMI so the pressure to eat was in no way because I had gone overboard, although I had come within 5 lbs of attaining a "healthy" BMI before I regained some of the weight. My mistake was switching to Soylent after deciding that I did not want to lose weight so quickly. The idea that I was not eating food triggered my relatives' "lets try to feed him" reaction.
Lately, I have started to try doing this again by consuming a daily multivitamin pill, water, spinach, "beyond meat" fruits and a daily bag or two of popcorn (to clear the pantry). The popcorn will be eliminated as soon as I have finished the remaining supply, but even eating the popcorn, I am losing weight by doing this, although it is definitely not as fast as it would be had I not decided to finish off that popcorn.
The first time that I lost weight, I had a relative who attended weight watchers. The people at weight watchers were horrified when told how quickly I managed to do it and talked about studies about the dangers of rapid weight loss. My feeling was that they did not want to lose a source of revenue and that being as fat was worse for me. In hindsight, I think that they would have been right had I been anywhere close to a healthy weight at the time as what should matter is the percentage of weight lost rather than the raw numbers. The closer that I approached a "healthy" weight, the slower my weight loss became and when I was within 5 pounds of it, I had started to feel somewhat light headed, which is when I decided to try lose by weight more slowly rather than force it through a large deficit in my daily caloric intake.
So if one is overweight or obese, and presumably trying to lose dozens of pounds, it would take an incredible amount of time, will, and effort to make a real impact through exercise.”
OK. I exercise more than that every month and have for years. It's painless to do because it's the only time I spend watching TV shows like Game Of Thrones--I look forward to my exercise sessions.
So, this article is telling me that (unless I exhibit compensatory mechanisms' such as eating more than I do), and if I started at 200 lbs, I'd lose 5 lbs a month, just doing what I actually want to do (because I enjoy watching entertaining TV shows like GoT). I'd go from 200 lbs to not being overweight in less than a year. The article's take on this is "it would take an incredible amount of time , will, and effort to make a real impact through exercise". That seems like an incredible amount of negative spin the authors are trying to put on it. To me, it sounds like a fantastic deal. And one I've taken advantage of.
My own weight loss path is pretty complicated, but I was at 225 and now my weight stays between 173 and 183, generally up and down depending on life events and whether I have temporarily keep more sodas in the fridge than I normally do.
EDIT: I just want to emphasize that the key for me is that I enjoy my exercise sessions, because I look forward to watching the most entertaining TV produced in the English language. So it takes almost no will power or effort. It's a matter of choosing not to watch that TV when not exercising, which gets to be a habit--similar to not picking up an apple pie every time I go to the grocery store so there's no such pie sitting around the house. If if DID take willpower and effort to do that exercise, I probably wouldn't do it! It helps enormously that I have an elliptical trainer in the house. But that's a small investment compared to the health benefits--not just weight loss and maintenance, but the fact that exercising is great for the brain, and many other benefits as well, including a reduction in cancer risk.
EDIT 2: I don't even know if I'd find that TV all that enjoyable if I wasn't exercising. I can imagining thinking "why am I wasting this time watching this crap when I could be doing something useful??" But when exercising, there are so many benefits that I give myself total permission to watch it, and I do enjoy it!
According to the scientist's theory, you get diminishing returns, where you have to do ever more and more exercise to burn the same number of calories.
And in their discussion of the Hadza tribe, they admit that the Hadza could be resting enough at other times of the day to offset the increased calories they expend for food gathering. All that does is tell us that given two populations that exercise about the same amount, the one that eats less will be leaner. That says nothing about whether the Hadza could remain lean on a Western diet if they also exercised more, which is the real question. Nowhere in the article is that question actually directly addressed. The study of marathoners they cite points out that the subjects increased their intake while they trained, which unsurprisingly limited their weight loss.
If you eat the same amount but exercise significantly more, you will lose weight. If you eat significantly less with no increase in exercise, you will lose weight. Nothing in this article supports with data the conclusion that the latter approach is better than the former.
That being said, I think the author of this article tries way too hard to be counterfactual. If you put an obese male or female on the treadmill with modest caloric restriction, over time they will lose weight on a log scale.
My theory about how the Biggest Loser contestants lose weight - get this - they're not allowed to snack during their all-day workouts.
I'm not sure about the hunter gatherer example. That was interesting. Maybe they are in much better shape and can be active a large portion of the day without expending much more energy. Or simply, the activity isn't extremely high-level.
It's also true that many endurance athletes are pretty careful about what they eat. My brother, who was a pretty good high school and college runner (5ks and 10ks especially), used to say he had a high body fat for a runner because he ate ice cream. His BMI? Maybe 20, 21 at most, and he was lifting weights back then.
For instance, Michael Jordan was slightlu overweight according to BMI. Shaquille O'Neal was past overweight and into obese. Wilt Chamberlin was overweight.
Leaving basketball for boxing, Muhammad Ali was well into overweight. Mike Tyson was obese.
How about American Football? I'm going to exclude line positions since a large part of their job is to be a wall and so we'd expect them to go for mass. Quarterbacks Dan Marino and Joe Montana: overweight. In fact, five of the last six Heisman Trophy winners (who were all quarterbacks) are overweight, and one is obese. The last four non-quarterback Heisman winners were running backs, and two were overweight and two were obese.
There isn't a single study here that proves this rather lofty hypothesis.
lose weight => ! exercise
or equivalently exercise => ! lose weight
That's not what the title is saying. What it is saying is ! (exercise => lose weight)