The Paradox of the Elephant Brain
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We see Apple's A9 is currently the peak performer ($/W, $/FLOPS) for a mobile device with a big screen... but is still very very far away from Intel's general purpose chips. Does that mean one is "better"? No, they just picked different optimization points.
Far more interesting is why a chihuahua with a walnut-sized brain is just as smart as an irish wolfhound that has a brain that masses about as much as a whole chihuahua!
But... if you put a human brain in an elephant, wouldn't it be "better" at getting food, killing competing elephant bulls, and passing genes around?
I'm not sold on the self-evidence of elephant brains being the best elephants...
A human, including its brain, is the best general-purpose device for transmitting genes, but the human brain lacks structures that would be useful to an elephant, and vice versa. Brains are not general-purpose devices.
Consider my dog: the surface area of his nose is probably about the size of a football field and I would bet his olfactory cortex is about the size of his visual cortex (in some breeds, it's probably even larger). Of course our visual system is more dominant than our olfactory system. So that's a simple example...would you really call one of them "inferior" to the other?
[Edit: fixed the amusing typo "hill-sliming" -- we are not snails!]
I think I would consider the dog brain to be generally inferior, sufficiently so that I would simply label it as inferior. With sufficient general intelligence, you can delegate tasks that your brain is inadequate to accomplish to technology (or possibly other entities, like dogs!), something dogs cannot do and something that makes the human brain clearly superior.
You can argue against human brain superiority without access to technology, but then we're comparing the two in more specific scenarios. Without any particular constraints, the human brain has sufficiently superior general intelligence to make it superior overall.
That doesn't mean a dog, whale, elephant or nematode wants to do those things. In fact the "superior" human brain would be useless for a nematode since that brain has support for organs (i.e. peripherals) the nematode doesn't have and requires a lot of energy and other resources the nematode also doesn't have access to. And the mass of nematodes far exceeds the mass of humans on this planet, so who's more successful? Humans are simply more successful at being human and nematodes at being nematoda.
You wouldn't argue that an i7 would be "superior" in a phone (much less an A9 in a laptop!!) so why is the human brain unequivocally better than all others?
I revel in my human brain and would not want to be an animal without opposable manipulators. But hell, seals and narwals have senses I do not and, Asimov aside, I am sorry I'll never know what those feel like.
I think the kind of things people can do have more value than the sort of things a dog can do and further that it's only the dogs limitations that prevent us from appreciating it. Our abilities are nearly a superset of theirs.
Finally survival beyond the scope of your biosphere ultimately requires intelligence of the human sort and that is certainly worth something.
You have raised a very important point. Sadly I can't upvote it more than once.
Nowadays the political correctness is forcing people to shun from passing on any sort of such judgments. In fact, it has sort of become politically incorrect to call dogs and other animal species to be intellectually inferior to human beings. [1] Please correct me if I am wrong.
>>Finally survival beyond the scope of your biosphere ultimately requires intelligence of the human sort and that is certainly worth something.
Thanks for pointing this out.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness
Being superior and being more optimized for a niche are not the same thing.
This view of evolution seems to be surprisingly widespread in my experience, even among those who consider themselves scientifically minded.
It's a common pattern around here. :/ I'm probably guilty of it myself.
In colloquial terms, think we'd find few who'd argue humans flying around in helicopters shooting elephants with high power rifles are not more evolved than said elephants.
> Consider it a big parallel hill-climbing problem with each animal being a local optimum for its environment.
There is rarely "its" environment. Because environment is shared. Especially shared with humans, who have great ability to manipulate said environment (usually for the worse). They will polute it, introduce other species which would end up dominating the food chain, completely change the physical form (built a dam and alter the course of a river), end up enslaving species in order to provide food for themselves. Would you say chickens have evolved and got to an optimal point? Or have they been evolved by humans so they can turn into dinner.
> Consider my dog: ... would you really call one of them "inferior" to the other?
I would call the organism which types on the computer, connected to an artifically created world wide network, and who is able to contemplate the fate of the universe, evolution and other concepts, a bit more evolved ;-)
You should try to understand what evolved actually means. What that shows is that we have gained a higher level of tool use than the elephants. Intelligence is not a sign of being more evolved, it is purely a sign of intelligence.
This is like a bird saying that they are more evolved than a human because they can fly without artificial aids.
Pinky: Why? What are we going to do tomorrow night?
Brain: The same thing we do every night, Pinky - try to take over the world!
Clearly a mutual ancestor of chimps, gorillas and humans did develop human-like intelligence. I'm not sure it's meaningful to ask why, say, chimps didn't develop in that way since they ended up being a subgroup subject to different evolutionary pressure.
Evolution isn't magic, it's just in an inherent process of an adaptive system. Like I wrote above, I think of it as a huge, loosely coupled hill-climbing computation, but the different nodes run at different rates and interact. You could also think of it as a neural net without a directed training system.
I think your second question is very interesting and I have wondered about it too. Ignoring the case of the neanderthalers for a moment, it's likely there were lots of variants who just suffered some environmental issue (e.g. a drought where they lived, or an invasion from some carnivore) that impacted a population too small to survive the threat. (and for purpose of discussion we presume this group were legitimately speciated from us). This happens to animals all the time. So we look back with survivorship bias.
The neanderthalers are more complex since they did survive until very recently and may not have been a completely different species. My guess is the threat they faced was homo sapiens sapiens. Is that an inherent property of humans? Seems like it :-(.
BTW by "human-like intelligence" I assume you mean "able to make complex tools that multiply its own functions in a non-linear fashion, support a complex society, and develop the capability to live apart from the earth". Since a cockroach civilization would have different objectives and metrics from ours their behavior wouldn't look anything like ours either.
http://www.psych.ufl.edu/~steh/PSB6099/brainnecessary.pdf
Due to hydrocephalus his brain was pressed against his skull and only a mm thick. Fascinating read.
It appears the amount of white matter in the brain can vary wildly without having a large effect on cognition (as with the 126 IQ example). Usually it's the cerebral cortex, the outer, wrinkled brain layer that matters most. Humans have more neurons in this region than any other mammal by far.
This squares with the original article, which argues the absolute number of neurons in the cerebral cortex is more accurate for measuring cognition than sheer brain size. So we might derive that brain mass lost due to hydrocephaly is not nearly as important as the cortex neurons retained.
Except dolphins, of course. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_by_number_of_n...
It adds a wrinkle, but appears to be larger due to brain volume rather than density:
However, as neuron density in long-finned pilot whales is lower than that in humans, their higher cell number appears to be due to their larger brain. .... Our results underscore that correlations between cognitive performance and absolute neocortical neuron numbers across animal orders or classes are of limited value - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4244864/
Which I take to mean we shouldn't rely on one indicator to explain the emergence of consciousness. It used to be thought that brain size dictated intelligence. Corvid tool is one challenge to that assumption. We shouldn't replace brain size with neuron size. It looks like evolution fleshed out multiple paths to achieving certain reasoning behaviors.
This is really interesting claim. If any expert on this matter here on HN provides some more information on whether this claim holds or not, it will be really helpful to this discussion.
The "intelligence" point is both uncontroversial and well attested: consider, for example, that you can train any dog to an agility course (adapting for size constraints of course) and in dog shows this is very common.
There are certain breeds of dog (or horse) that are considered "more intelligent" than others, but this rarely holds up under scrutiny -- some are more gregarious than others but all are apparently equally trainable to the kinds of tasks humans typically ask. Some are more gregarious than others or have other traits but they are well within the variations humans also exhibit.
HTH
chihuahua has the largest among dogs ratio of brain to the body. Another thing to note when size of brain is discussed is the Einstein's brain - smaller than average, it had greater ratio of glial/neuron cells and was much more interconnected among other things.
According to this page, humans have the highest ratio except for a few species that have very small brains in absolute size, which probably miss out on benefits to scale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain-to-body_mass_ratio#Compa...
I would also suggest that they're very disadvantaged in not having developed the tools for more wide scale intergenerstional transmission of cultural knowledge.
Maybe it does. Maybe they're philosophers.
I heard an interesting argument for what a chance occurrence language is in humans: after all we talk by using the organs we chew with, fashioning our lips and tongues into phonemes.
If the freak "language gene" were given to elephants (spliced into DNA etc) so that they can develop phonemic values over generations using whatever speechlike abilities their mouths do have, it would be interesting to note whether they can develop philosophy then.
But man had modern brain and speech abilities for tens of thousands of years before our cultural situation and heritage became interesting. You likely wouldn't be impressed with the philosophical world view of members of an isolated hunter-gatherer tribe tens of thousands of years ago who had no writing. Interesting, surely, but as an curiosity. Would speaking elephants left to their own devices be the same? Or do humans have higher cognitive processes they cannot match, in addition to lacking our language skills? So that they would not be put at a prototypical human level, but insteqd forever stuck at the elephant level, their new language ability notwithstanding...
This is a study in line with interspecies differences. Intraspecies differences still require some teasing out. E.g., how does a Gauss differ from Joe Q. Public?
It seems likely that avian pallium performs similar computations as cortex, despite having a different implementation. The more interesting question, in my opinion, is not who has the most neurons of any particular type, but how those cells enact computations. Does the avian pallium have representations that are similar to mammalian cortex. In other words, does it solve problems in similar ways/using similar algorithms as cortex or did its early divergence allow it to find different solutions?
What I find curious is that parrots can vocalize at least as well as humans, they show some pretty solid reasoning ability, their tongue is practically an opposable thumb, and yet they don't seem to have developed complex spoken language or technology.
I wonder what's missing from bird brains that would help them with language. Actually, I just had a flash of memory about some part of the brain involved with putting ideas into linear sequences, as we do with words. Maybe that plays a part.
It all comes down to the relative brainsize / bodysize. This wikipedia article describes it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encephalization_quotient And as you can see in that article, our quotient is far the highest of all animals. I find it weird that the authors of the article don't mention these things and do not seem to be aware of this.
https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~ejchaisson/cosmic_evolution/doc...
http://rationallyspeakingpodcast.org/show/rs-157-dr-herculan...