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So I'm interested in everyone else's response at the end. Would you have sat down? What would be your response to the second command to sit?

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Of course I'd sit. I just convinced him the worthiness of my idea, and in dealing with someone so prideful, you have to show some face to get the business. When arguing with such stubborn and prideful people, the best conclusion that can happen is proving your point without humiliating that person (again, only if you want do business). That is, if you can swallow your own pride. I'd sit and say "I'm listening".

I agree 100%.

Well, if I was him and I just made that fantastic speech, I would have proceeded to pack up my things to drive home the point that "I'm not staying unless you convince me I'm not wasting my time."

If I was me I probably would have never made that speech, and I would have remained sitting.

The only reason for that speech was to get him to say, "Sit down."

Huh, that's interesting. I had saw it as a pissing match between the two guys. It seemed like if the younger guy sat, he'd be conceding command. And yet, the mere fact that he was asked to sit down means the older guy concedes his point. That's why I was wondering.

In such a setting, I would assume that nothing happens without reason; at least that is the marketer's motto...

I didn't even obey the command to install Flash 9.

heh, I guess that's what I get for trying a different video sharing service. :/

Vimeo is the best, you made a good choice.

You don't like flash?

No, I just didn't have Flash 9 installed on the machine I was using.

Some of the startups choosing between Javascript and Flash say that this is one of the problems with Flash. If you choose any recent version, some fraction of people won't have it installed, and faced with the interruption of installing it, will just click on Back instead.

Good point. There needs to be a good reason to get mandate an install. Sorta like desktop software.

and some fraction, like me, won't have any version installed.

Some fraction will also not have JavaScript enabled. That was very popular among nerds back when JavaScript wasn't essential to web browsing.

Fortunately, that particular brand of nerd can safely be ignored. They are a tiny, tiny minority who make a lot of noise on websites such as this.

Tiny but influential. So I don't think they can always be that safely ignored, especially for startups that hope to begin with techy early adopters.

Is there a tipping point where the increased multimedia power of flash overpowers the accessibility of javascript? We're powering though some pretty serious technical hurdles to get what we're working (which has highly graphical components) on running in pure javascript.

Seeing what Heroku has done has encouraged us to keep going, but we wonder if picking pure javascript really was the wisest choice.

For someone who funds a couple Flash-based startups, that's a little surprising...

the man asking the guy to sit down is saying it in a way "i know you are right, I was wrong, there is no other way to say it because I am so stubborn everyone hates me, but lets do business"

On the show, he sat. :)

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