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Don't be so quick to rate yourself ugly. Women actually consider 80% of men to be worse looking than average average: http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dati...

That reality can make a lot of average to somewhat good looking men feel ugly.

Are you in incredibly good shape?

Have you hired a professional stylist?

Have you hired a professional photographer?

Have you taken professional pictures shirtless, with dogs, traveling, and with cool friends?

I'm guessing you haven't done all of the above, so there is hope.

Women are attracted to your overall value, not just looks. Find a way to show it online.

Implement all of the strategies from this online dating guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3l310a/the_red_...

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The Red Pill is notoriously sexist. I'd recommend /r/okcupid's guides, which apply to any gender or sexual orientation:

- https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/wiki/dosanddontsprofile

- https://www.reddit.com/r/OkCupid/wiki/dosanddontsmessaging

Agreed. Coming into college I found The Red Pill and thought it was some kind of guide to male-success. Really it's just the path to being a cynic which is neither the path to happiness or success. It takes the lowest stereotypes and applies them as natural laws to society. The problem is there is no set of laws for societal interactions, people are good, people are bad, people do crazy things, people do predictable things..

I found the red pill guide far more actionable and effective than the okcupid guide.

Men and women don't have the same challenges in dating so combining advice for the two is unhelpful.

(Ignoring the ad hominem)

FWIW, 'notoriously sexist' is a mild way to put it. The community is a hate group. Recommending them is like saying that joining the Klan is a good way to get involved in your community.

A non-sexist guide to interacting with the opposite sex would, by definition, be useless.

Women actually consider 80% of men to be worse looking than average average

I think that our culture's "knowledge" about how men/women/gender works is out of whack. Monogamy seems to be demonstrably more stable, but I suspect it's simply better than the preexisting alternatives for high population densities and highly organized societies. I don't think our brains and our cultures are any better suited to human sexuality with access to effective birth control any more than our brains and cultures are suited to a world full of freely available fats and carbohydrates.

That said, one should also be wary of any ideology that seems to come with a tinge of hate or disdain to a particular "type" of person.

The problem with TheRedPill is that they encourage "plate-spinning" over monogamous relationships.

There's nothing that's inherently a problem in that. It definitely makes sense that this is the Red Pill viewpoint given their audience and demographics: all male, largely middle aged, many of whom have been "burned" by a previous monogamous relationship.

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