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Mozilla and Palemoon – Mozilla losing their temper?

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I'm not a Mozilla employee. It's sad to see one of the very few genuinely good companies get attacked by uniformed users looking for controversy to get worked up about. Creating an account to post this link here and the comments in the linked thread are perfect examples of that.

We don't know what Mozilla said, officially or unofficially. We don't know if it was a random employee or an official company statement. They also haven't been given a chance to defend themselves. Let's not assume the worst because it gives people something new to rage about on twitter.

What worries me is that, rightly or wrongly, there are an increasing number of people who are disappointed with the direction that Mozilla has taken itself lately. While Mozilla once received almost universal praise, I'm starting to see the opposite happen now. More and more people appear to be holding an increasingly negative view of Mozilla and Firefox. Mozilla plays an important role within the web ecosystem, and it needs the support of the wider community in order to be effective.

Well respected? In earlier times for sure. But Mozilla of today has totally left power users alone. I would not call that what is left a genuinely good company

What I really mean is morally good. Call me naive but I think the majority of employees at Mozilla do want to make the world a better place. Mozilla doesn't sell your data or undermine your privacy unlike its main competitors. It doesn't want to lock you into their ecosystem and hold you or your data prisoner. They have a core mission to bring people access to the web and not have it controlled by a few select companies. I think they're fighting the good fight.

I disagree about power users to a small extent. Rust has to be one of the best things Mozilla has ever been involved in. Servo looks really promising. e10s has actually worked out and Web Extensions will finally make addons secure. It's not an easy path or transition. Constantly modernising such an old codebase is a huge challenge I don't envy. I think the criticism levelled at Mozilla is too harsh some times. They've taken risks and sometimes it doesn;t always work out, like FirefoxOS phones.

You misteriously forgot about some stuff, like Hello, the Pocket integration, or the Brendan Eich case.

The ambiguity of this whole post is really weird. No specifics on what was asked, or of who asked. Under what circumstances would it actually make sense for any official representative of a company to reach out to the operator of the Pale Moon forums to ask them to do... basically nothing? No specific requests were made, apparently, and no criteria were provided.

It's cheesy drama between maybe 4 devs and has no place on HN.

I don't know, really. I'm not the most pro-Mozilla person around, but if there's no proof... Not even the name of an employee... I can't believe it, sorry.

Any evidence to support this allegation?

Mozilla could just as well be a victim of badmouthing.

Could someone provide a short summary of what this is about?

Pale Moon is a fork of Firefox. The maintainer has a long history of an at-times-antagonistic relationship with the core FF development team. This appears to be another footnote in that long history where he claims to be receiving pressure from some mysterious Mozilla employee, in this case to censor his forums in some unspecified way.

Pale Moon team got as it seems some request from Mozilla to silence the Pale Moon forums Mozilla critics.

https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=11810&start=... - for everyone who is interested in finding out if the attack was just a cry for attention or backed up with facts.

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I expect much more of this to come.

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