My personal burnout – Lessons learned
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Now, I work a job were I can easily get 8 hours of sleep a night. Sleep isn't everything but, if you can achieve 8 hours then you are headed in the right direction.
What helps me is taking time to listen to music. Not having in the background while doing other things, just sitting down and listening to your favorite album front to back. Finding times to slow down enough to do these things will help.
Also, I find that yoga is great but, don't get competitive with yourself. Actually just folding into childs pose or something else simple and easy to actively rest your body does wonders.
Lastly, we all work in an industry where there are many options, alot of flexability, alot of understanding of people not performing at 100%. Talk to people. So many of us have been there and yet we stay silent because we only see others' success and hide the struggle.
If you need to, change what you are doing. Change jobs, talk to co-founders, talk to your partner about figuring things out. Burn out can kill you.
It all sounds more trite than personal. The reading lists of inspirational achieve-more themed books. And the insistence on not only being completely recovered but "in a better place" after only four months.
Oh, and the eight blogs submitted here in 40 days.
Personally, I wish the best of luck on it. I view this as a form of depression, and I'm of the opinion that depression in all forms is a difficult problem that we don't really understand well. It seems that any advice, no matter how well intentioned, is ultimately just an attempt to get things kickstarted towards a better direction. With no real means to know if another stall is coming.
I have money saved up, and if push came to shove, we would survive, but then I'd be so neurotic that I wouldn't be getting rest!
Also: If I burned out enough that I couldn't go back to my job, I have no idea what other career I would choose (sysadmin). Not just because of interest, but also because of lack of skills. I love my job, and I work a lot, but burnout does terrify me, because I don't see that there is much of a safety net.
That's what serious hobbies are good for, pal. Those won't allow you to support your current lifestyle, but if you can do something useful - and do it well enough to charge money for it - that can bridge you to the other side of lean times with your self steem in good-enough shape.
And that's kind of my point. I've started on some non-tech hobbies recently, but I've a long way to go before I can make money with them.
My biggest concern is that, even though I feel like I am getting capital-F Fucked by my current company, I have this pathological resistance to letting people down, and whenever I think about quitting, I get upset and those latent suicidal thoughts start cropping up. Not to mention that if I quit my job, I would be able to afford to support myself for about a week.
I'm kinda hoping your talking to someone about this. I don't think it's unnatural for you to think/feel this way, but suicidal thoughts are not a good sign. Also, I'd recommend trying to save up a bunch so that you could support yourself. I know it can be hard, but it's much less stressful than living paycheck to paycheck.
The money thing is a whole other ball of wax though. I have been saving pretty hard since at least last summer, and, as it stands I have around 500 bucks in my savings. Pretty much my whole paycheck is eaten by rent, food, and transit. Some times things like unexpected medical expenses come up, or my family needs money. I am actually in a position where I just can't afford to pay the state/city taxes this year on top of my federal taxes being fucked beyond belief. I know I could just call them to figure out what's up and get an extension, but even the thought of calling them is enough to inspire a panic reaction.
If I think too hard about the situation I start getting really depressed, anxious, and resentful of pretty much everything.
You may want to extend your skillset to other (non-tech) areas, as long as it makes you happy. But use what you already have in order to pull yourself up.
> You may want to extend your skillset to other (non-tech) areas, as long as it makes you happy.
That's what I'm trying to do, but it takes a conscious effort.
For me[0] it just happened when I realized that no matter how hard I worked the company I worked for where going to go bankrupt anyway.
I started crying anytime I was alone. Sounds that reminded me about problems at work (e.g. a loose drive belt) would instantly give me pain in my stomach. It took months before I could work in customer facing work again. I was lucky, worked at a farm and completed military (draft) in between and little by little things got better.
I sometimes feel really exhausted and unmotivated, going to work only because it is a duty (to work and my family) but I never burned out again.
[0]: This was before burnouts was a thing so I never got a diagnosis and I only realized later that I hat hit the wall hard.
And is it possible to "burnout" of something else than work?
Burnout is a stress disorder, as is PTSD, but trauma is typically not involved. Indeed, the lack of trauma is often why burnout sneaks up on people so easily. At least with PTSD you often have some "big event" that you can track things back to that is something that most people would say "ok, that's something that can be life altering". But you can burnout even if you're working only 20 hours a week at a "fun" job and earning 6 figures a year. Burnout is caused by stress, PTSD is stress and other symptoms caused by trauma. They share some similar symptoms because they both involve stress, but they are not the same. Removing the stress and spending time relaxing usually helps clear up burnout to a substantial degree, but the stress in PTSD is caused by the memory of trauma that happened in the past, and that doesn't go away, it's internal not external. Additionally, PTSD is not only harder to tackle it's also typically more life altering because it has much more severe symptoms (arousal, hypervigilance, constant reliving of the trauma, guilt, being easily startled, etc.)
Post traumatic stress disorder - trauma. Coding is not trauma and can't be compared to trauma.
Two issues: 1. it seems lots people mix up burnout with exhaustion or lack of motivation. It is not the same.
2. I'm afraid, and I am not alone to think that people feel like burnout == bragging rights.
It is not. It is just painful and unproductive. I now say (tongue-in-cheek, admittedly) that it is far better to keep going at 95-120% for year after year than going all the way to 160 for weeks, meet the wall and needing months to fully recover. Often families and other relationships suffer as well.
So is your second sentence inaccurate, insulting, and offensive? yeah
Still can't compare it to PTSD.
It was the fact that I had worked so hard only to see it fail anyway and people I worked with not caring rather still buy tools while they had already IIRC started looting the place.
Another thing: That job was way beyond stressful. At some points two big blokes, one coworker I had though of as a friend together with a friend of him came to "take" me whatever that meant and the way I got away was running for the kitchen, grabbing a knife and place myself in the doorway so nobody could get behind me. Eventually they gave up.
I'm speaking from personal experience here!
Burnout is really hard to understand when it happens to you. The best symptom I can give is that you become less productive - work never flows anymore, you always have to force yourself into it, all the time, not just at the start/end of a day. It did not feel like exhaustion for me, but like a steady state of helplessness.
And if you get this, don't compensate by pushing yourself harder into work (what I did). You'll just make it worse.
The message is: "WE ARE NOT GETTING RICH FAST ENOUGH!"
I think his health benefits would get cut during this time. And can you really get 2 years off work for being burned out? I have no idea, but my understanding is you need some serious doctor notes to get classified as disabled.
If one is still sick after 1 year one can apply for permanent disability. Permanent disability will probably be around 66% of one’s previous salary, but no less then 25 000$ per year and no more then 65 000$ per year. One can additional apply for some special benefits like housing subsidy, child benefits etc if needed.
The important thing here is I didn't do ANYTHING AT ALL that week. Sure, I cleaned the house, went biking, and generally stopped to smell the roses, but I made sure not to write a line of code, look at code or even think about code that whole week. When you're burned out, your body and mind shut down. Being able to re-engage your brain and body properly and give them the break they deserve does wonders.
Even having a week just to shutdown and restart over does amazing things for your mind and body. you don't need a year to recoup and get going again.
I've always found it odd that the USA only gives two weeks annual holiday (plus public holidays). Someone finding a new job just to get a week off seems really inefficient - it probably takes months for their replacement to be hired an up to speed. Easier to give the current employee time off.
Although all my permanent jobs have been in the UK with four or five weeks annual leave plus bank holidays.
This is a very ungenerous interpretation of the article. Did you read it or just skimmed it? It's very clear that he is in a far better place now. The books he mentions are just a few that he found useful along the way, nothing wrong about that.
I can't believe this is a revelation, but I was burned out worse than I've ever been before!
Seriously, I can't understand how I didn't recognise this. Perhaps it's the surgeries that coincided after I quit?
Now that I'm picking myself up again this article is my epiphany? Man - I am totally kicking myself!
For instance, it's now Wednesday, I haven't got around to putting food in myself since Sunday. I've managed a few hundred cups of coffee though. Kept going into the kitchen last night, and rather than eating kept finding myself chores to do until I gave up and went to bed - which is the place you lie until you hear the birds start to sing, then you close your eyes for what feels like five minutes, your alarm goes off, and you start all over again.
Life is hell, but that's OK. I've made peace with being permanently anxious, stressed, and tired. Sure, it's cost me all of my friends, relationships, etc., but that's OK, they're only things, and nothing really matters anyway - everybody ends up dead eventually.
Doesn't taste like much (this is a feature here), doesn't induce sickness easily, takes no time to prepare, is very mobile (can be carried around while getting dressed), gives sufficient energy and is easy to eat without appetite. My go-to solution when I need to have food but really don't want to. Plus it stores really well if you use water, so no need to get fresh ingredients.
Us Americans (or if you arent American, the same applies to other first world countries) eat too much and they freak out when they hear someone else fasting. Now, your apparent depression does sound worrying to me, but you should be free to fast for a few days without the judgment of others.
But on actually eating something: Are you a fruit person? Try buying a container of raspberries, blueberries or strawberries (or whatever fruit you like) Ideally, also pick up something green (I like steamed broccoli sprinkled with garlic powder) Or have some oatmeal and throw any of those berries and a banana in (perhaps with some seeds/nuts - I quite enjoy hemp seeds in my oatmeal lately)
These foods are delicious to me and provide actual nutrition. Sometimes I fast for an extended period of time (skip a few meals to a couple of days,) but if these foods are lying around I tend to enjoy them greatly.
Also try peaking at the sun during sunrise. Great way to start the day in my anecdotal opinion. (And there is a lot of scientific evidence that sun helps with "blue" moods)
"trivially actionable" is worth a lot when stress is crushing you.
There's also a difference between a conscious decision to fast for a few days and just not managing to eat for days at a time.
Your advice is great (although I'm personally not so fond of "your body is telling you" interpretations) when basic needs are met and there's room for a bit of cognitive effort.
Nobody is suggesting this be part of a normal diet, but with what appears to be done pretty dark thoughts and not having eaten for several days it's probably more important that he eats something ASAP.
You'll be a lot healthier, therefore feel a lot better, if you go to the nice grocery store (not the discount store or walmart) and buy the pre-made fancy salads, the ones with meat protein and dressing and all the stuff ready to eat in the plastic box. They're cheap, taste great, incredibly fast, reasonably filling, and keep in the fridge a couple days until they're questionable.
If you're not leaving the house a minimum of every other day you're probably doing something wrong right there. If your commute doesn't go past a nice grocery store, again, a sign you're doin life wrong.
They'll have names like "Asian style cashew chicken salad" or "cobb salad" or whatever. Just open the box, dump the sauce glop on top, shovel down, and you're done.
I must have eaten thousands of those things, no exaggeration, when I was going to school and working two jobs at the same time. I bet they were 75% of my calories around exam week.
The only thing worse than being stressed all the time would be being stressed and fat, or stressed and sick, or all three.
Otherwise things will happen like described up-thread: standing in the kitchen, looking at the cupboard, but not able to decide whether to pick the left or the right coffee mug.
"Get a burger and fries" is about as unambiguous as possible without knowing the context. Sure "go to the artisan organic salad bar across the street and get their salad of the day menu" is the preferable option, but that requires contextual awareness, and less specific tasks are a problem in such situations.
It's a case of "don't make me think" to get a bunch of processes started (in this case: energy intake and getting back the sensation of hunger), not an optimized diet plan.
Cut the coffee immediately, throw it out if you need to. Your hunger should return in a few hours. Take a shower, wear clean clothes, prepare a nice filling fatty meal, pizza is a good option. Has to be a high fat meal to make food appealing again.
After this you're gonna crash hard as your mind and body recovers. Go to bed.
The coffee is effect, not cause - although I am fully aware I've a raging caffeine addiction.
No chance to go to bed, I have conference calls, staff disciplinary meetings, budgets, strategy sessions, and contracts to sort out.
As I said, it's OK. I've made my peace with gnawing anxiety, stress and suicidal depression as normal facts of life. It's like being bedfellows with a axe murderer - just fine, so long as you never relax and let your guard down.
Sure I'm neurotic, but who isn't?
I've been where you are, and I'm really, really concerned. I'm not saying give up work or anything like that, but I'd really urge you to seek out a medical professional if you haven't already. There's a tipping point where things get so bad you won't be able to function, and believe me it's far, far better to get in front of it than to need to get help after that tipping point.
Sorry if I sound preachy, I say this out of genuine concern for your well being :-)
I'm torn on seeking professional help, as while a therapist I saw last year practically begged me to see a psychoanalyst, I demurred, as I know that in the eyes of a practitioner I'd fall into the "risk of harm to self" category (except I don't self harm - apart from my sustained "lifestyle" choices), and being sectioned and chucked in a facility would be a fate worse than death.
A good friend went to the NHS regarding depression about 15 years ago, aged 17. They put her in a facility for 18 months, and gave her a hysterectomy. No way am I going anywhere near that particular hell.
To try another angle, do you have a mentor/supervisor? If not, maybe look out for some experienced (potentially retired) manager that you trust. There are also professional services in that space. They may not know your business, but they know the responsibility you feel for keeping things alive.
They might be able to help with the culture shift issue you mentioned elsewhere but also with management in general (including "how to make sure that the company doesn't have a bus factor of 1: me") and self-care - one low key strategy in that regard might be to hold you accountable to certain habits that you agreed on (eg. "eat twice a day").
Speaking of which: got something to eat yet?
The rest of my post is some advice, but please feel free to ignore it if it's not wanted.
You say you would consider treatment, but that you have two worries. 1) That they would detain you under section 2) that they would subject you to treatment against your will
1) Detention under section:
There's no chance you'll be detained under section of the mental health act unless you have a definite plan to die by suicide and you intend to act on it soon. And even then it probably wouldn't happen. Currently there just aren't enough beds available, for one thing.
The other reason is that most trusts should have moved to a "crisis resolution and home treatment team" model. These teams provide short term interventions and are specifically designed to keep people out of hospital - we know that hospital in-patient stays tend to make things worse, not better. You would do most of your work with a community treatment team with CRHTT help when needed.
2) Forced treatment:
Mental health treatment is very different today than it was 15 years ago. The Mental Capacity Act came in in 2005, so it wouldn't be possible for them to detain you under section and take out your womb (if you had one) today unless there were very unusual circumstances. Here's a case where a man who lacked capacity in some areas was deemed to have enough capacity to make a medical decision that resulted in his death: https://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2015/10/13/court-of-protection... That's a gruesome case but I hope it shows that forcing treatment only happens under certain circumstances. There are some powers under MCA and MHA to force medication, but those are not common.
Nationally less than 10% of people under secondary specialist MH care ever go inpatient. Something like 92% of people in secondary care get that care in the community - either at their home or by appointment in a clinic. It would be unusual to force someone outside hospital to take treatment. There are community treatment orders, but they tend to be a justice system thing and not a mental health system thing.
If you did decide that treatment would help you might want to look at the various guides to the Mental Health Act. (Mind do one; Rethink do one; the Government does a nice guide too.) Then:-
Make an advanced directive; work out who your "nearest relative"[1] is (and then change that to someone you trust, and make sure that person knows to always say "I object to the section" to the AMHP if anyone does ever talk about detention under section (although that's really unlikely)); then go see someone.
If you think a short form talking therapy would help you should be able to self refer, or you might need to get a referral from your GP to "IAPT" (Improving access to psychological therapies".
If you think you would benefit from long form therapy, well, those waiting lists are very long pretty much everywhere. Some places are maybe 6 weeks for assessment and then 18 weeks to start treatment. Other places are much longer. The sooner you start the referral process the sooner you'll get to see someone. You'd go via your GP, then probably to a gateway team. (Although this process varies across the country).
Or you could just go privately. That could be expensive (£30 to £50 per session is reasonable). But it gives you some more control. You might want to check professional registration - BACP is often recommended. I'd stll recommend the advance directive stuff and the nearest relative stuff.
[1] this is a person defined in law and they have some power, so it's important to have someone that you really trust.
Feynman was deemed mentally unfit for military service when he was quite fine.
The anxiety, stress and suicidal depression are not normal. Consider, is you life worth the pay you're getting for this? $150 a day to be driven insane? Most would say no, except to self deprecate, which your neurosis predilects you toward.
As a Stoic I recommend this: http://www.forumromanum.org/literature/seneca_younger/brev_e...
As a friend, i'd say it's time to see a therapist, doc, or talk it out with someone close or who can help.
The truth, what you're doing now is unsustainable and makes you unhappy. Step 1 is acknowledging that. Step 2 is realising you can change anything. Imagine if you'd never chosen this career path. It could have happened, so why stick with it?
So that's the rub - do I cave and leave a large number of people in the lurch, and deal with the much greater stress and anxiety that that will cause, or do I keep going.
There's not really a choice - but there isn't really any such thing as choice, we just fool ourselves into thinking that we make decisions. In reality, shit just happens, and you roll with it.
Edit: Oh, on the Shortness of Life is one of my favourite essays - but Seneca was Nero's chief advisor, and never had any particular responsibilities in life, so I take his rather epicurean for a stoic advice with a hefty lump of salt.
Holiday, I need one. I was meant to have two weeks off last summer but instead spent six weeks in and out of hospital, trying not to die from an infection.
Sometimes you just get dealt a bum hand, or you fuck up and make things hard for yourself - you just have to keep playing - leave the table and you've just got a boring cab ride home.
If lieutenants are subordinates (that part is not clear to me) lay out what needs to be done by who. If they are unwilling or unable to do the assigned tasks then fire them and replace them with people who will do their job. They are your employees not your bffs.
If lieutenants are peers then this doesn't apply.
Don't think making yourself literally insane is the best way to help those people.
I'll second the recommendation of stopping with the coffee. And seek help. (And no, choices do exist - we are not completely free, but not completely unfree either. You can make your life better.)
"Your hunger should return in a few hours" after cutting out coffee is just plain wrong. Coffee is not the issue here though it may be a good idea to cut out potential appetite suppressants - but don't act like it's that simple. Nor does eating fatty food make food appealing to someone who has trouble eating due to anxiety. Nor does forcing yourself to eat in this situation make you "crash."
I've been there, too anxious and depressed to eat, couldn't taste food, puked it up if I tried to force myself to eat. I was able to eat again with the help of a medical doctor, which is what this person needs. This is not as simple as cutting out coffee and eating a pizza, this is a big deal and very, very difficult to get over.
I'm actually very concerned. Please, please talk to someone about how you are feeling! I fear you are at crisis point and don't realise it :-(
Instead, ask "what am I going to have for lunch tomorrow?" Having a packed lunch is awesome: it's effortlessly right there when you need it and will make you happier throughout the afternoon. Tomorrow-you will be incredibly grateful to tonight-you. And tonight-you, being the productive chore-monkey, is probably quite happy to make a meal someone else. In the process, if you eat some "leftovers", that's a bonus :-).
Have something, one thing, available, and then you've taken the choice out of the equation. Then you just get something, possibly heat it up, and eat it. Presumably the microwave wouldn't be an overwhelming task since the coffee maker isn't.
It is similar to when people suffering from it first notice the onset of dementia: they notice themselves forget things that should be automatic, how to operate a can opener, the name of someone close, and so on.
In both cases there is the scared reaction. Of course sometimes it is an overreaction (you are just being a little forgetful, everyone has that from time to time especially when tired) and you almost instantly pull yourself together. It will have probably happened to you many times before you had the true scared reaction that lasted long enough to make you notice the seriousness of the problem.
Speaking for myself, I have the added burden of having to deal with a sleep disorder plus several other issues (including ADHD) that exacerbate the problem of burnout significantly. I imagine there are lots of people in similar situations who don't have the ability to recover properly. Sometimes I hate the inhumanity of this industry. In some ways it's great, but in other ways it's just as brutal as working 70 hours a week at a steel mill.