A week in Cuba was the most educational trip of my life
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I'm Cuban and I'm now in Cuba, university professor, not affiliated to any political organization, and I check HN almost all days and personally I do not feel limited in any way, only by its high cost. In the same way private internet access is not illegal, is just nonexistent as option because most Cubans cannot afford the current costs of Internet infrastructure at home.
(Honest question: When I was there this seemed to be a thing?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Cuba#Contempor...
The Cuban people were already suffering - the US' new policy can start to change that. Nothing else will.
Personally I thought that Viñales particularly, and Havana to a lesser extent, to be the most touristy places I've ever been. Of the three main streets in Viñales, almost every building was either a Casa Particular or a restaurant catering to tourists. In downtown Havana, the number of Canadians/Australias/Kiwi's/Europeans was incredible, more so than anywhere else I went in Central America.
Almost every daily activity was more difficult in Cuba than anywhere else I went (probably because of the embargo) - restaurants and supermarkets were constantly out of stock, exchanging money was an hour long ordeal...
That being said, if I had my time again, there's nothing I'd change, it was definitely a unique experience
While the place is not perfect, he had many great things to say about it. About how family and connections are more important than material possessions, about how healthcare and education are rights that everyone has and doesn't think about, and about how the purpose of life is not just to go to work more and earn more money.
My friend is Canadian, and he genuinely loved living in Cuba, which tells me a lot.
It's funny, when the news got out that the US is normalizing relations, the first thing all my friends and family remarked is that now Cuba will be 'spoiled', and we'd better get in our vacations while we still can, before Cuba's overrun with Americans.
On a serious note, everyone I know that's been has loved their time in Cuba. Most seem to think it's better than Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, and so on (except for the food). Certainly safer.
I haven't been to Cuba myself, but I've been to my wife's country which is less developed, much more violent and unequal. It was still nice (apart from AK-47 wielding bandits, corrupt police and the fact that everyone wants to rob you because they think white people are made of money). Minus the safety concerns, I'd be OK with the level of development and living there.
The fact is, there's nothing wrong with 'poor' countries. Having a car and technology isn't all that. Having a decent house is important in Canada, but near the equator I'm OK with a shack. As long as basic needs are met, life isn't that bad.
Which is why so many Canadians (I certainly know quite a few) 'exit' the system and live in 'poor' countries.
I understand the universal education and healthcare, but that does not go very far when on average your take home is about 100 bucks a month.
And I don't see Mexicans (who have good relations, or Dominicans or Venezuelans for that matter) getting on boats and hoping for a better life in Cuba.
One thing, among others, Cuba does offer is a kind of time warp porn which some people find compelling, yet, day to day life, I imagine many Cubans would trade for an economy which was not ruled so much by decree and doctrine. They have had to live in that imagined idyll where humans have not been despoiled by money...
Rather because they have so few material possessions they have no choice but to enjoy the few things they can count on in life.
Well, people DO leave their countries to Cuba. You just don't see that (and probably also don't believe it). Of course, they don't need boats to do that, because that's really risky...
OTOH, Mexicans, Dominicans and Venezuelans (and people from many, many other countries) DO risk their lives trying to enter the US, even if that means that, if they manage to escape all sorts of risks, they will be illegal aliens there (as opposed to the Cubans who touch US soil: they are, in practice, given a new life, for free.)
My wife's family, for instance, are immigrants, and we know many people who came from her country (their population actually shrinks YoY because of the mass exodus). An interesting phenomenon is also that many of them are disillusioned with life in Canada, having left to become 'rich', only to be very poor and overworked, and unable to go home because of the stigma about people who 'wasted time' (ie. immigrated then went back).
You even see it within countries - Canadians from the east coast who go west. And often you see it go 2 directions - many people immigrate from North America and Britain to France to live an 'idyllic' lifestyle, and there's an equal amount of French people going the other direction for 'economic opportunity'.
The existence of people who desire to leave isn't necessarily indicative of it's quality of life... Hell, I don't even plan on staying in Canada forever, but I'm well aware of its benefits.
Edit - stats on the Canadian diaspora: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_diaspora
With the amount of Canadians living abroad you'd swear it was literally Mordor...
I also found it a complete repudiation of socialism. Seriously, if you are a fan of socialism, go to Cuba and you will get that fixed in a hurry. Houses are literally collapsing because they are not being repaired while what seems like half the city sits around on the street waiting for a ration book. Stores that take the local currency are empty. Its like the Soviet Union in the 80s.
It's also amazing how much has stood still. Its like you went back in time to the 1950s and the Cuban missile crisis was yesterday. The cars, the propaganda, the buildings, broken political and economic systems, all of it.
[To the down votes: Sorry if that is not a message you wanted to hear about Socialism. You shouldn't take my word for it. You should go see it yourself.]
Secondly, 50 years of trade embargo probably has a lot to do with the decay and lack of availability of goods. America tried hard to ensure that Communist Cuba would fail and collapse, and it didn't.
It might be fairer to compare Cuba with other agricultural-exploitation countries like hyper-capitalist Honduras.
By the way, Cuba has always been free to trade with every other country apart from the USA...
Hyper-capitalist Honduras?! The 113th country in the Economic Freedom Index now qualifies as "hyper-capitalist"?
One of the most radical things about my experience was that I traveled directly from San Francisco, and the two places could hardly feel more different. Walking down Market Street, the full breadth of American inequality is on display like nowhere else. As poor as Central Havana is, you simply don't observe the same level of open desperation. One might say their government makes this so, but it's actually our government that imprisons the largest percentage of its citizens of any country in the world. Look, I'm not saying I would live in Cuba over the USA, but I do think we should be doing a far better job caring for our most vulnerable.
Here's my reflection on the experience: https://alanjaytravel.wordpress.com/2015/12/31/cuba-go/
Then I remembered that that's how all tomatoes used to look originally[1], and that their tomatoes probably taste way better than the neon-red freaks that I buy at the supermarket.
[0] https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*yVBQ_1SeMOk4kcib-q...
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Modern_commercial_varie...
Going to wrap up my medium article soon.
People say the same about North Korea.
Interestingly enough, you can say this about most places you visit for a short period of time. As a tourist you typically get a surface feel for the place. After spending a measurable amount of time (9 months+) in a Similar place (the dominican republic) with friends who said similar things after short visits, I can say much of this is attributed to seeing people in nice, quaint, sanitized parts of life you see as a tourist rather than an accurate description of what's actually happening culturally.
That's to say that you don't really get into interpersonal relationships when you're in a place for a week. People seem generally happy because most people are friendly - specifically to strangers - especially when those strangers mean revenue or money for themselves, their business or their community - especially on the first pass. After spending time and living there - there's many of the human emotions you're familiar with stateside including contentment, joy, but also anger, sadness, jealousy (and yes) unhappiness too (gasp) - it's just that you don't see the negative emotions when you're only there for a week.
It's always a little disingenuous or a little naive when people come back saying "they have so little, but are so happy." It is true on one level, but also is conveniently dismissive of recognizing that you only experienced a sliver of their actual lives.
What? Cuban food is well-known all over the US.
It's all about the money. American dollars can buy luxuries the Cuban peso can't afford, and that's something anyone can get excited about.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/transcript-alan-gross-...
"No hay tarea difícil, sino hombres incapaces" - Ernesto "Che" Guevara [1]
That would translate (i think, correct my english if i'm wrong) to: "There is no difficult task, but incapable men"
Guevarra was politically naive and made many awful decisions w/r/t ideals, strategy, and tactics, with in some cases disastrous results. I think heroizing or canonizing him is a poor choice. But calling him a “mass murderer” robs that label of meaning. By any standard which you might consider him a mass murderer, most US presidents of the past 80 years would equally qualify.
With regards to all three of your claims, this seems like a fairly reasonable analysis: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1lt4rb/was_i...
You think the US is more unequal than Cuba? I'd love to see what the Castros are worth vs. the lowest paid Cuban.
And in my books, being thrown in prison because you express a viewpoint counter the gov't is pretty damn unequal.
It would be more interesting to see the differences between two typical families in the 10% and 90% of income.
I'm dying xD
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cuban-agents-brutalize-democracy-...
That does not make the experience of the article's author any less real. Or the culture he discovered any less valuable.
It can be even argued that some of those virtues do exist today not in spite, but thanks to the human rights issues. Normal people want to do selfish and/or stupid things all the time; and in a democratic society you let them get away with all but the most destructive of those behaviors as the cost of preserving those human rights. It is a trade-off.
On the other hand, Cuba is an example of a different society that chose a different, not necessarily worse or better, trade-off. As a matter of fact, given that this little island was geopolitically isolated at the fall of the USSR, you may even dare to call that tradeoff successful.
I've seen more police "brutality" in the suburbs of Canada when the bar closes...
BTW, brutality is in quotations because no one can possibly watch those actual videos and call the police actions anything close. The protester (singular) who was arrested, was not only twice the size of the fat, out of shape police officers, but there was barely a scuffle.
Here's a good picture of the police brutality from your link: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ceaq1QXWsAIOVNu.jpg
and here as well: https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/hfg17gfMjN_RcKbCTm1hPw--/Y...
So brutal.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/304-dissidents-arrested-...
Please note in case you haven't been never in Cuba that Cubans are known for always says aloud what we thinks in any corner either in political or any other matters.
Moreover, assuming that what you're saying is true, you're putting the person you're talking to at risk if they answer freely. That's not a fair argument to have and certainly not for fake internet points.
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11476566 and marked it off-topic.
And further I shouldn't even be talking about it, because if, for the sake of argument, Cuba has a repressive secret police that throws people in jail for speaking about unapproved ideas, I shouldn't say anything about it because it's Cuba's business?
Using that philosophy no one should have spoken out about S. Africa's apartheid because they might get someone in trouble and it's S. Africa's business anyways.
Anyways, good to know how hacker news works.
Dream on ...