Streaming in general (apart from via a local server) frustrates me. The entire idea is simply a way of relinquishing control to an external body. Hard drives are not that expensive, and patience is a virtue. I'm very happy that youtube-dl exists, for example, because otherwise when Google disappears I'll lose a lot of useful material I have access to at the moment.
Regardless - I'm surprised to see this here. Sci-Hub is one thing - it's an educational resource.
Mainstream media... I just gave it up rather than pirating it. I'm not 18 any more - my friends don't really care about the latest Marvel flick. The movie companies have lost even my mindshare now. Books, online reading material, educational videos, all free, all a better use of my time, all less likely to leave me wanting a fast car like James Bond.
Setting up x y and z streaming servers and downloading 38 movies at a time (because patience is a virtue) so you have a large on-demand catalogue isn't really less consumerist than having tools that are versatile enough to let you sit down and get something on the screen within 30 seconds.
Of course, you can abuse something like this or Popcorn Time to become more of a consumer than ever, but I don't think it's inherent to the tool.
On the topic of the latest Marvel flick, you really should see Deadpool. It's absolutely hysterical!
I guess I see it in the same way as healthy eating, or something. I really bloody like cookies. They're super tasty. If I end up with pack of freshly baked cookies they're gone in a few hours. So why give myself that temptation?
What I actually want is the ability to do it. I think it's good for my mental health to have a treat every now and then, but not have it take over my life. So basically, it should be difficult, but not too difficult.
In a similar vein, downloading a YouTube video before watching it gives me that window of self control before there's more exciting stuff battering me in the face to continue.
I've been using computers and Internet since childhood - I'm not a luddite by any means. But I think it's far too easy nowadays to get caught in bad behaviour patterns because of the instantaneous nature. It takes active effort to digest deep topics.
I don't think I'm a pious enough person to be self righteous! Maybe I'd feel different if I were more financially secure and had more time for pure leisure? I don't know. :)
Plenty of torrent streaming apps, most notably Popcorn Time (http://popcorntime.sh and source code at https://github.com/popcorn-official/popcorn-desktop) has existed for a long time now.
I find it absurd that I can have a copy of a video in my brain, but potentially not be able to show it to someone else. It feels like an arbitrary limitation on knowledge transfer. If we had brain-computer interfaces I could just push my (analog fuzzy) version out into the screen again!
Tagging and categorization can be fixed later. I generally find grep -i a good enough solution.
Could you explain that ? Why would google disappear ?
Ultimately, I doubt that every piece of media that is currently on YouTube will be available for as long as I need them. That could be a year, or it could be fifty.
For my purposes, if a video gets taken down, it's lost forever, I probably won't be able to find it again.
But 'Guinea Pig Noises Loud Squeaking Sounds.mp4' lives on my hard-drive forever. ;)
I feel the same way about webpages really. wget -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die. bookmark -> it's mine until my hard-drive and all backups die, PLUS the site goes down. Also immutable, which can be a bonus.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11422763
It probably makes sense for me to formulate the argument properly and write it up at some point.
In this particular instance - I'm not sure that the amount paid is relevant - the desires of the publishers would be, which doesn't necessarily include payment (otherwise no-one would publish under GPL). It's potentially a violation of the ToS of YouTube - I wouldn't know, I use a commandline tool which bypasses the web interface entirely.
Sorry Google! I'm sure you'll do OK. (Do you have a donation address? :P)
And my views personally represent my own, not an organization, which is why I don't hide behind a dinosaur name :)
We'll have to agree to disagree. :)
Maybe you should switch to username non-sequitursaurus :)
Not said enough; thank you.
There was outrage (rightfully so) over DRM on videos and music, because it handcuffed the user, and it prevented legitimate and legal activities like moving music to a new device.
The streaming situation is far more restrictive, but nobody seems to mind---not only do you have digital handcuffs on the stream itself, you have ephemeral media. And most people don't consider it as a problem, because the issues they traditionally had with DRM---such as copying to another device---no longer manifest; it's available _everywhere_. But when you stop paying for your account, or when the service disappears, you no longer have access to your media; you never did to begin with.
For non-torrent sources, streaming is not tied to DRM either. Most youtube videos are not flash based, but streamed MP4 files that aren't DRM'd in any way; you can get the MP4 file if you want. Service disruption is a problem, but there is always a trade off- and honestly, I'm more likely to lose a hard drive full of video files than Youtube is likely to disappear in the next 10 years.
[1] http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5Q24UE0ptGU/TZiOmTxoHJI/AAAAAAAAAI... Here's a qBittorrent image for an example.
Not to mention, if my hard drives and backups fail, I have bigger problems than my video hoard!
Additionally, I can bookmark _and_ download; that would take what, 0.5 seconds longer? :)
Unprotected streams are not an issue.
A few leechers breaking "rarest-first" might not cause much harm. But if most leechers become streamers, torrents will lose their efficiency in distributing less-popular content.
Transmission implemented a "streaming" feature once, that didn't actually stream. It just stopped fetching pieces "with the same rarity" randomly. They still got too much heat for adding that not very usefull feature. And they reverted the commits soon after.
[1] https://github.com/steeve/xbmctorrent/blob/e6bcb1037668959e1...
Supposedly long seed intervals will not help the swarm in that case.
In reality, there are 100+ seeders and if you had a constant supply of streamers who spend half their time seeding (assuming they download the whole movie by the 50% mark), then you have a very very healthy swarm.
Seeding by default sadly gets a lot of newbs into trouble - especially as publicising IP addresses are part of the protocol.
Porn blackmail companies and MPAA agents know that seeders are low hanging fruit.
Similarly Limewire and ilk using the downloads folder as a default share folder is useful for the health of the network but this has led many to be unwitting uploaders - which is what they got done for.
Jammie Thomas is a case in point, newb music fan (or her kids I recall) but the sharing by default is what she was convicted of - for $30,000,000.
No one has ever been convicted of downloading alone - they don't bother trying.
So seeding by default can be very cruel - sadly.
Even with that caveat, those like Jammie, brought up on Sesame Street were taught to share and don't know how severe tne penalties can be.
That sharing is or can be wrong is now taught at a nursery level.
At least in Germany, both leeching and seeding are copyright infringements as soon as you upload any data back into the swarm. Since leeching also does this (though not exclusively), it is also copyright infringement. Pure downloading is not, though, which is why streaming websites (just downloading, no uploads) are fairly popular here.
Well clarified thanks.
Really? This is yet another step closer to "The Right to Read". Such a waste. We should end scarcity, not create it artificially.
Which is still a crazy result, but it helps no one to make up numbers that are several orders of magnitude higher than the real ones.
The sum you mention was the 1st amount, on appeal this was raised to $1,920,000, then lowered to $54,000, appealed again to $1,500,000, then appealed to $54,000, appealed finally in 2013 to $220,000.
She denied ever using Kazaa and no such files were recovered from her hard drive.
Conviction was on IP address alone from MediaSentry.
* https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Records,_Inc._v._Tho...
Over six years in court, mess your life up some, threats began in 2005, so 8 years of harrasment over 24 songs.
IMHO the many years she was dragged through the courts already more than sufficient.
Flippin bonkers.
I think the proper swarmed streaming solution is to make the percentage chance of requesting the rarest chunk be a smooth function of the number of replicas of the rarest chunk. If the rarest chunk has only one source, the probability should be 1.0. If there are multiple chunks that are all the most rare, you probably want to randomly select which chunk to request next, with an approximately exponential distribution rather than uniform distribution. Y probability of selecting the first chunk, Y^2 for the second, Y^3 for the third, etc. You'd want to run some simulations to fine-tune the probability function and also the Y percentage.
What I did for LimeWire was (1) if the MIME type wasn't on a streamable whitelist, download all chunks in randomized order. (2) if the file was a streming type and less than 10% complete, start downloading the available chunk closest to the front of the file that isn't currently in progress (3) if the file is a streamable type and 10% to N% complete, randomly select either in-order or randomized selection with probability X. (4) beyond N% complete, always use random chunk selection. I'm pretty sure N was 50 and nearly certain X was 0.5. I originally proposed making X a smooth function of the % downloaded instead of 0, 0.5. 1.0 stair-steps, but the lead developer strongly preferred stair-steps.
The random selection algorithm actually tried to keep the number of ranges of bytes (extents) below 5. So even after 50% downloaded, you still have a 25% chance of getting in-order downloading.
The reason I used randomization instead of rarest-first was that it was my first change to LimeWire, and this was the least invasive change to make. At that time, LimeWire had a global list of verified downloaded chunks and a global list of in-progress chunks, but no global counter for number of replicas.
I vaguely seem to remember WMV and ASF also needing some information from footers in the file, and therefor also prioritizing the last MB of the file.
This was all implemented using the Strategy object oriented design pattern, to make it easier to play around with many alternatives and make specialized strategies for specific MIME types.
Wow that's an entity I haven't heard in a long time. It would be super interesting to hear more about the engineering behind the software, do you have any blogposts anywhere?
(1) Merkle trees are tough to get right
(a) Bittorrent's BEP 30 is vulnerable
(b) A small tweak would have allowed Gnutella's THEX to carry a proof of file length [0]
(c) Use the Sakura tree construction [0]
(d) There was an attack against LW where one could respond quickly with a bogus THEX root for a popular SHA-1
(e) The THEX root should have been the unique identifier in both DHT and query responses
(2) Using HTTP for data transfer was definitely the right choice
(a) It uses X-alts and X-nalts "experimental" HTTP headers for swarm control
(b) I prototyped an Apache plugin to allow it to transparently participate in Gnutella swarms
(c) HTTP/2.0 would be ideal now
(3) Gnutella uses query broadcast
(a) exponential fan-out means most traffic is in the last hop
(b) if the fanout is 19:1, 95% of traffic is the last hop
(c) LW used Bloom Filters to often skip the last hop
(d) We should have used mulitple hash functions in the Bloom filter
(e) Adding new hash functions is backward-compatible, at the cost of increased query traffic during transition
(4) LW connection handshake includes the 32-bit serial number of the latest XML version message
(a) The message is signed using DSA
(b) Newly signed XML messages propagate to 95% of the network within 60 seconds
(c) We accidentally DDoSed our servers by having everyone come for updates at the same time
(d) So we added user alert time randomization parameters in the XML message
(e) There was no mechanism to roll over or expand version message serial numbers.
(f) We could have locked ourselves out of asking users to upgrade by signing an INT_MAX serial XML message.
(4) We wrote a minimal C++ agent capable of downloading the latest free LW version from LW nodes
(a) SHA-1 of the free installer is part of the signed XML version message above
(b) SHA-1 was checked before running the full installer, preventing malware injection
(c) It was great for saving bandwidth and reducing legacy support
(5) I misplaced a paren in LimeWire QueryKey crypto code (later fixed)
(a) QueryKeys prevent turning the LW network into a DDoS botnet
(b) I knew the code wasn't behaving quite right
(c) I convinced myself that my reasoning was wrong and the code must be right
(6) Random seeks are tough on equipment
(a) Apache would kernel-panic OSX on random HTTP range requests (ca 2006)
(b) Anecdotally, random block download order wasn't great for hard drive life
(c) Random download order code tried to minimize number of file extents
(i) Saves bandwidth in describing what you have
(ii) Might be better for hard drive life
I don't get this. It is definitely useful.
I'm not saying don't upload: the client still seeds. It just downloads the contents in order.
It wasn't optimal for the swarm. Yet, the user didn't really get what he/she wanted.
This is mostly a CLI wrapper for searching piratebay, parsing the results, and then streaming using peerflix. https://github.com/mafintosh/peerflix
I'm curious why thepiratebay npm package wasn't used instead: https://github.com/t3chnoboy/thepiratebay
That said, great usage of cheerio for parsing the returned HTML results. I love how it's as simple as running JQuery like commands on the server side.
We're at a rather convenient point in time where building a program/app is an exercise in coming up with an idea, researching the alternative components it can be built out of and then spending the time getting them to play nicely together. I wouldn't underestimate the amount of work that entails.
They didn't want their work broken due to a random unpublish?
That's probably not the reason.
you can also stream from more than just TPB
When you can tell me who owns the number two, I can tell you who owns a song.
It's not just "I want movies without paying" posturing. Culture is reuse and remixing. Half of internet culture these days comes from V, from Tyler Durden, from The Matrix, from the Terminator. Should response GIFs and image macros be illegal?
Literally ALL use of every kind is fair use.
Creators should get paid, yes, but that does not warrant the current farce in any way whatsoever. The "legal solutions" foisted upon us under the current model (eg Spotify) see creators getting paid approximately the same amounts as they did under the Napster setup.
I hate to admit it, but rms was right about the whole mess, and it was much, much bigger than computer code.
If they also passed a law mandating software to be delivered with source code I suppose RMS wouldn't mind :)
Probably never, and that's fine. At least not until the avalanche of inevitability gets rolling and then it doesn't matter, and that's fine too. That's just how real social change happens. First you get the majority on board, then the rest is just bookkeeping.
Nobody "as a community" stopped "cheekily tolerating" casual cannabis use and "finally stood up", but tolerance got so ubiquitous that suddenly the "squares" were out of touch and suddenly has to "stand up" for what was already the law -- not the other way around.
I'm pretty sure "cheekily tolerating" homosexuality also cumulatively did more for gay rights than "standing up" did.
Governments change laws when there is political capital in it.
The problem with copyright is that it relies on artists being paid after the fact for their work, which is now impossible to enforce.
But if most artists are being paid up front for their work, they'll have much less incentive to care about copyright. Indeed, many will actively encourage it to create buzz for their next project.
The GPL depends on copyright to protect programmers freedoms & the public domain from appropriation.
Is this a technologic or moral problem and can laws solve it ?
Is easy to feel that the issue is artists should be paid, but if one is poor then access to culture and information can be simply unaffordable.
Everyone listens to more music than they can buy. Truefans moreso.
For most artists obscurity is the issue and realistically the big studios/ labels steal more from artists than anyone.
A tricky moral issue that could trivially be solved with strong government and enforced licenses like they did for radio & libraries.
Just like artists get paid when the radio plays a song, it should be the same for sharing, remixing & mashups.
But lobbies legislate these issues, so the monopoly of ludditism prevails.
IMHO false scarcity of knowledge is immoral and unnecessary and if we ever going to get off planet before a meteor hits we must advance beyond the Status Quo.
That's a huge issue that you're just sweeping under the rug.
Behind all creative material is someone's time, which is the most valuable thing any of us have.
Regardless of accuracy, just look at how many creatives are apt to blame piracy for the various media industry declines.
So yes, the question of how a creative type can make a living without an IP framework is huge in these sorts of discussions.
1. run `npm link`, which will put pirateflix in your path 2. make src/cli.js executable and run it directly 3. don't make src/cli.js executable, and run it with `node src/cli.js`
There's a huge difference between making money off a business model which is based around breaking copyright and breaking it for personal use. Most software folks don't care at all about the second, which is what the article is about, which is why your comments are unconvincing.
You asked "how would you feel if someone violated the GPL". My answer is that well the GPL can't be violated for personal use so it's not relevant at ALL to this discussion. Another software license? Most SW devs would say "if it's for personal use, who cares?" If software and music/movies are so fundamentally different w.r.t. piracy as you claim (since nobody can have a business based on music or movies? What?), you should have no trouble understanding why it's absurd to try to compare them in order to convince people piracy is bad.
And I never said we should remove copyright for anyone in particular (though perhaps we should remove it altogether -- piracy has a few minimal negative effects, many positive ones, I'm not convinced the cure isn't worse than the disease).
I'm explaining why your analogy is misguided and rhetorically ineffective.
If you really believe that you should read this article by a developer who ran an experiment on pirating his own game [1].
94% of day 1 users had pirated the game and were not contributing to the fixed costs of generating the IP. Not all users were going to pay full price, but the developer could have run discounts later to capture most of those users. This was a DRM-free game with a demo, so there were none of the typical excuses for pirating.
http://www.greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/what-happens-when-...
That's fine to me, in fact I see it as a good challenge. Ideally, streaming monetization is good enough for content creators to be relatively happy, while simultaneously both preserving the ease of access and wide choice that have made streaming services / tubes popular with consumers, and allowing for a viable business. Perhaps its impossible to completely have it all ways, but if it can be done, it might reduce the influence of the current middleman, the "old media industry", and all of its ills. This to me would be win / win / win.
Unfortunately, the Pirate Bay isn't the way to pursue this. While the Pirate Bay certainly has revenue (via web page advertisements), it certainly doesn't seem to even make a pretense of compensating content creators. That's a no-no in my book.
With the movie and music industry, they went the other way. They made it difficult to buy their products and a lot easier to pirate. And now they're the ones paying for it.
Buying movies and music electronically now is far easier than it has ever been. I don't think that's really a valid excuse, but even still, you'd be blaming the industry for a crime you're committing against it. How is that just?
It's like a river: it will take the path of least resistance. I choose to accept that this is inevitable and try to find solutions to control the river by paving paths for it to take, instead of blaming it for doing what it does.
0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_infringement#Motivat...
Historically, yes, but this has changed, hasn't it?
You can typically purchase or rent a major movie through a variety of streaming-capable channels and mediums. I just rented Room on Google play and streamed to my TV over the weekend. If I bought it, I could download it to my devices for offline viewing.
For example, unless I'm not aware, movies that are still in theater or shortly after still are unavailable to stream. Yet they're usually available on torrent sites. Another example is content filtering by region.
If you don't live in the US, the typical case is instead to go to the store and look in the bin and hope to find something from two years ago, or go to the cinema and chose one of the 10 shows available this month. The streaming services has something like 1/10 of the lists available in the US, if they offer anything at all.
I think this module is very immoral, however, so I'm not going to contribute...
Now, I know that DNS can be a little bit scary when you dig into the details, and sure, it can be a little verbose, but it's not so bad that it's immoral!
Can't you fix that with an entry in your /etc/hosts file ?
Search GitHub for clones using "pirateflix" to find the code:
I 404 both on Github and npm.
That said I think purely streaming is bad for torrenting and even though it will happen we should encourage something that is better for maintaining health of swarm.
Even for someone who's interested only in leeching a single streamed movie, if the number of sources for some blocks is only one, it's still in their rational best interest to request those single-source blocks first. Also, if there are multiple blocks with only one source, and they assume there may be another user using the same algorithm, it's in their rational self-interest to download earlier blocks, but not always the next one, under the assumption that another leecher may be grabbing the same block at the same time.
So, you end up with the probability of selecting rarest-first vs. earliest-first as a smooth function of the number of sources for the rarest block, and when picking amongst rarest blocks, using something close to an exponential distribution. The best solution for the health of the network would be selecting uniformly from the rarest chunks, but that discourages people from participating in the swarm. Rational self-interest can lead to a solution that's still better for the collective than a pure earliest-first chunk request strategy. (And yes, in LimeWire, I did implement chunk selection as a Strategy design pattern.)
This installs npm (node package manager) for you.
Open up any Command prompt or Terminal depends on the OS you're running and I'm sure there are lots of alternatives these are usually just the default installed on every machine.
Run the install command which looks something like "npm install pirateflix -g"
The -g means it installs globally on the machine so you can access it in any directory instead of just one specific folder or location.
Once that's done you can just start off each command with "pirateflix" or "pirateflix --help" to get details of the function. It's documented on the github under Usage and Options. Should be straight forward from here. Hardest part is probably just knowing what npm is.
Despite what many people associate The Netherlands with, we're not a liberal state. We're a democratic bureaucracy that leans heavily towards pleasing our trade partners and making sure the country is pleasant to live in for our citizens. That means we will extradite hackers, spy on our inner cities with cameras and force our ISP's to keep communication records of everyone.
Every once in a while citizens get pissed off and some policy is reversed or diminished, but usually they don't care enough. I'm not saying Wessley will be fined or worse, but just that should this small app draw the ire from whatever big publisher corporation, he definitely is not 'safe' just from being in The Netherlands.
^ this is all i ment. I agree that he is not _safe_. But he also does not perse do anything forbidden. I am pretty sure he is aware of the gray zone he is working in.
Next we're going to be arresting people who make knives, because you know, people can use them for illegal activities.
People are drowning every day!! When will this finally stop?
My best guess is that a larger portion of people used Popcorn Time to watch copyrighted materials than people used their knives to injure or kill someone.
I agree that the tools isn't illegal but I think it's fair to be honest about it's most likely purpose.
For enjoying art.
The War on the fans is immoral, hateful and wasteful.
Those who enact it have stolen more from artists than anyone.
Most commonly it is lost internet access or fines of only a few thousands.
A few thousand is beyond a lot of people, especially in this endless recession.
It can be confiscation of equipment and has led to loss of employment.
People have been jailed for it, faced years of uncertainty over extradition.
Parents, children, teachers, grandmothers, pretty much everyone knows someone who has had at least some trouble.
That is not to mention the technological stagnation, the denial of the blind the right to convert documents to speech, works unavailable in whole countries, the trumping of fair-use by DRM, the hours lost trying to convert media, the denial of access to publicly funded science.
The invasive anti-privacy laws, the time wasted fighting SOPA, PIPA, the clipper chip, &c.
Those who stood in court up faced legal destruction akin to Jammie Thomas, in every country.
The chilling effect on innovation & technological takeup.
Napster was the killer app that kickstarted broadband adoption in the UK, nevermore.
Kids who love music would get into coding - but music startups, even highly legitimate ones are a total no go - the monopolies are too entrenched and stupid.
New cultural forms, remix and mashup are outlawed - NWA's original wall of sound was a cultural dead end as licensing the thousands of samples is impossible.
A entire new form of black American music outlawed.
The loss of orphaned works and rare episodes.
The prosecution, hounding & subsequent death of Aaron Schwartz.
The harm cause by these monopolies is vast and unnecessary.
It could be solved overnight by a blanket license and collection agencies - just like it was for radio.
I would love to read a blog post that went into detail about all the claims you've made here.
My argument is there is no need for any of this - it is a legal error.
Simply legislate a compulsory license, media and device taxes already exist. Distribution agencies - already in place for radio and libraries.
The correct test for disruptive technology is substantial non-infringing use.
This war on fans is as unnecessary and ineffective as the drug war - calling it "bucaneering" doesn't make sharing immoral or dumb law effective.
Criminalising what everyone is doing and feels is natural and right is a fail - this is a vice law.
Sharing isn't evil.
Sharing the things you love, knowledge, song, jokes, tales is as old as time and what makes us human.
There are plenty of things to share culturally that don't involve theft. Feel free to visit a library and likely walk away with more personal growth anyway.
>"Criminalising what everyone is doing and feels is natural and right is a fail"
You can't honestly believe this. This is empirically ridiculous.
None of these 3 things are theft:
* Enjoying art / downloading;
* Copyright infringement / publishing unauthorised copies en mass / uploading / seeding or "bucaneering" as you put it;
* Remixing / mashups / fan art / performing & modifing work / covering songs / innovating.
Theft deprives someone of something, you are conflating theft with this discussion - a common weasel word.
> Yes everyone shares all the time it is natural and human and those that don't were brought up wrong.
> I do not think I am entitled to anything, life is struggle, you fight to get things, you fight to keep them but I hate being shut out and I hate to see anyone shut out, especially on grounds of poverty or censorship.
I consider artificial scarcity of knowledge & culture heinious.
I utterly dissaprove of everything the RIAA & MPAA do and lobby for.
I believe copyright maximalism to support an incompetent monopoly is an anti-capitalist protection racket.
They abuse copyright to control access to markets, using their monopolies on distribution to force artists into terrible dictatorial contracts and then withold monies and prevent artists from releasing anything that competes with their chosen anodised 'stars' singing appropriated culture on autotune and force it down eveyones throats.
This was their business model for the entire 20th century, music & film suffered terribly from the 'studio system'. So much garbage on the radio & cinema all the time, independant music & film was marginalised and starved out.
Their iron clad grip on publishing & distribution faltered and culture bloomed despite their luddite ravings.
Now weak politicians are bought to legally preserve an antiquated, immoral business model that now harms everyone and everything & stunted progress in the 21st by over a decade - yes progress happens in spite of them but is quickly criminalised.
I believe the fix is simple, give them a fraction of what they ask for in license fees - they are hopelessly inefficient fat cats monopolists and will adapt or die in a fair non-protectionist market.
Enact compulsory blanket licensing compensated using the existing levels of tax on media.
Just like for radio and libraries.
Everyone can do everything - they get paid by share of the media tax alloted to artists by distribution metrics - pay artists straight - cut out the monopolists monopoly.
The Internet is a machine for efficient copying & dissemination.
It is the Gutenberg press. Liberating cultural dispersion like printing liberated knowledge.
They would survive for ages on license payments - because they own the rights to nearly the entire 20th century of music & film.
Reduce copyright terms to ~25-40 years then it goes to the public domain as originally agreed.
Encourage new art to license under GPL to ensure a rich contempory commons before it reverts to the public domain.
At least break up the monopolies, one of the few useful things govt can do to ensure a free and fair market.
The whole thing could be fixed overnight and with the ensuing efficiency there would be a new rennaisance of culture and learning and innovation.
The Scottish Enlightenment came 20 years after basic education was given to all Scots by the Parish act.
> Before that entitlement to basic education was unthinkable.
Which of course led to Hume & Smith who inspired French Idealism and Benjamin Franklin and threw of the shackles off a religious state & invented Capitalism.
Yes freeing up culture from needless antiquated protectionism would change the world.
That was the way things always were since time immemorial; that is the right way.
Sharing the light does not diminish it.
> Yes, I honestly believe art can change the world for the better - free art, freedom to create, freedom to pursue happiness.
So thread detachment, ok, but it is not off topic IMHO.
Your mod intuition is mighty fine tho', so I'll stop posting this thread and go write a book :)
I'd hate to see HN develop a bad reputation because of stuff like this.
I agree we shouldn't be encouraging piracy, but that statement is a huge generalization.
Also, we are not all "well educated people with high earning potential". Maybe a large majority of us are, but I've seen very interesting posts on HN from people from all walks of life.
Piracy will be rampant even if everyone is able to legally download all media.
PS - I am one of those who are not "well educated with high earning potential". Even as a "poor" person, I am unable to morally justify my selfish actions (piracy)...
That's fine, we have enough seeders.
:)
After all, is morality not a popular convention?
This is not a simple question. Access to media is access to culture. And we can't expect people without access to a common culture to participate in our society as equals. That's why we have libraries, museums, arts in public areas; we know that we need to share at least part of our common heritage, or it will stop being our common heritage.
Remember, intelectual property is meant to make creating art profitable enough that we don't stop doing it. It is supposed to protect the consumers, not the creators. Ideas that are not consumed are not a societal good, and we don't make laws to protect them. Of course there should be balance between protections for creators and consumers. If someone thinks the current legislation favours content creators more than it should on this alance, then for that person piracy is probably not morally wrong.
Sometimes it's never available, especially english shows that is only broadcasted on english tv channels.
When copyright is used as an excuse to steal tax money, its hard to use morality as an argument against non-commercial copyright infringement.
This is the organisation he/she is talking about: http://www.copyswede.se/in-english/
- Using without paying is immoral, you should just do without.
- Even if it's OK for you to do so, we know that many people will illegally download films they could buy, hence offering these tools is unethical.
- As programmers, we rely on copyright for our income, hence it's unethical to infringe on the copyright of others.
Did I miss any? The feelings of deja vu in these threads are way too strong.
2. Yes, are there any data on that these people would ever pay?
3. Yes and like all digital content we have the ability to spread our work across the globe very fast at little to no extra cost. If we limit our work to a certain country we only have ourselves to blame when people are illegally copying it.
First, threads always start as a blank slate, so by the time we get through the obvious arguments on both sides, it has already dropped off the front page and the discussion has died down. The next time, someone will again invariably argue that they can't watch stuff in their country, and someone will reply with one of the arguments I listed.
Secondly, since many people consider this topic poses important moral questions, downvotes will invariably be used to suppress valid but disagreeable opinions, and then we'll have more posts of people justly complaining that they've been unfairly downvoted, plus a few assholes playing victim.
HN is great for most discussions around technical and business matters, particularly regarding new developments; it's pretty shitty for serious discussion around social and political topics.
That's exactly what I would tell Apple when movies that I want to watch are not available in the German iTunes or just as a dubbed version.
(We pay for Netflix, Spotify, and have used Google Play to buy episodes of certain shows)
Piracy is an alternative... not a solution.
Yes, Paul Graham has advised not doing music start ups because of the stupidity of the entrenched monopolies.
But making money by forward thinking social change and distruption is at the heart of hnews.
Everyone goes to the movies. All fans spend money on art.
It is well documented that those who spend the most on music also listen to a lot more than strict copyright & DRM allows.
Arguably the problem is not enjoying culture but poorly thought out legislation written by lobbies for monopolies.
Radio play and Libraries both faced the same problem and monopoly lobbying but stronger government then legislated enforced licenses and re-distribution agencies.
To the direct benefit of those monopolies and society.
In fact every new technology is lobbied against. Portrayed as destroying the Music/ Movie industry, yet turns out to be a huge new market when they are dragged kicking and screaming into the present.
The sheet music industry lobbied against records. The record industry lobbied against radio. The film industry lobbied against the VHS market. TV lobbied against cable. Against mp3, against online itself, &c.
Every single time they were wrong about the future of their own industry.
Monopolies are bad for their own markets & society.
These laws are protectionism, the first thing Adam Smith objects to in 'The Wealth of Nations'.
Not everyone who reads hnews is wealthy, many are self-educated precisely because they could hustle access to information.
These monopolies screw over artists more than anyone.
Try being in not-the-USA and paying for content. Add "Linux" in there and you can forget about it.
We need a Richard Stallman for media.
(edit: added 'legal')
The down side is that even though I pay for cable TV, I have to use their shitty tuner/DVR and they've all but blocked the use of alternatives. So what I do is run Popcorn Time while connected through a VPN, bookmark all of my favorite shows, and when I want to watch TV, I just go to my favorites and click the latest episode that aired the previous night.
It's seamless, I don't need to worry about their DVR failing to record for some reason I can't troubleshoot (unless you count driving to the cable company during work hours to swap the DVR for another equally shitty DVR), and the interface is much nicer.
And while I'm aware that it's still in violation of copyright law, I don't feel I'm doing anything immoral because I pay for cable TV and could watch the same shows if I happened to be around or awake when they aired.
The really screwy thing here is that I'd gladly pay even more for cable TV if they offered a legit version of this. Nice Netflix-like interface where I can browse titles or go to my favorites and see which episode I left off on. Click any one of them and within a minute it starts streaming in decent 1080p quality and there's no unresponsive 1990's interface to wrestle with.
They could even set it up so you need to log in with your cable service account and all viewers would be "seeds" on the cable company's swarm. Instead I pay $30/yr for a VPN service that provides enough anonymity to avoid lawsuits and threats (even if I wouldn't necessarily count on it for anything truly sensitive) and go the "back channel" route.
While I accept that I'm not owed a better experience and it may come off as entitled, in my case, it's not so much about wanting everything for free as it is about wanting something better and using the available tools to get it.