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Comment by jroseattle | Hacker News Reader

> The big argument against Java is that it’s verbose.

I have a few others I'd prioritize over verbosity:

  - Generics
  - Dependency conflicts
  - Libraries that simply "fix" the language, i.e. Apache Commons, Google Guava

Disclaimer: your mileage may vary. This is simply my personal pet-peeve list.

I actually find I don't need Apache Commons or Guava now that I'm using Java 1.8. A lot of the functionality has been standardised.

Keeps getting better though, the example in the post:

Map<String,User> userIdMap = new HashMap<String,User>();

is now just:

Map<String,User> userIdMap = new HashMap<>();

and Java Generics already saves a ton of type casting as well as checks and corrections IMO.

Or use Lombok and get it even more concise!

val userIdMap = new HashMap<String,User>();