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Justin doesn't just work with the media. Justin IS the media.

I think it's worth pointing out that Justin.tv led to the two largest YC exits to date, Twitch (Justin.tv pivot), and Cruise (founded by Justin.tv cofounder Kyle Vogt and Justin's brother Dan).

In 2008, Justin.tv co-founder Michael Seibel found Brian Chesky crashed on the floor of a hotel in Austin, offered him space in his room, began coaching him on how to build a startup, introduced him to the rest of the Justin.tv team, and ultimately brought them into YC! (and look where he is now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hP6TH3pBPi8)

I look forward to more of the same :)

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regarding the Obama clip, i'm impressed Obama can talk so clearly about how airBnB works, for someone who lives in a bubble of security and probably never thinks about where he's going to stay when he goes on holiday, he can describe very well the social reputation components of airBnB.

Yeah, I was super impressed as well. Obama understands AirBnb better than many people in tech do.

Presidents are extremely smart and can quickly pick up on topics. Combine this with advisers giving you a detailed run down and you get this.

>Presidents are extremely smart

Interesting. Is there a part of the democatic process that guarantees electing extremely smart people?

IMO doing well in debates requires the ability to think very quickly.

Not necessarily.

https://twitter.com/patel0phone/status/705587706517184515

Is there a president you can think of that wasn't a genius?

Being president requires you to manage so many different things; it couldn't be done by someone who wasn't smart.

I have heard from a couple friends that George W Bush was smart, just bad in front of a camera. To be honest, though, my own radar from seeing him all those times - from heuristics and deduction - said he was actually not very intelligent in many areas that other presidents were intelligent in. I think his social intelligence was much higher than Gore's and Kerry's, though.

I'll just leave this here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvknGT8W5jA

I think Dubya talked down to avoid alienating a voters suspicious of intelligent people.

I've heard it hypothesized that Bush had early dementia. If you watch videos of his younger days, he spoke articulately. During his presidency, he kinda stuttered.

They also thought he was an alcohol syndrome baby

To appeal to a broad segment of the electorate, you need to a.) be able to predict what will be important to a large number of diverse groups and b.) be able to analyze & synthesize that into a platform & message that will bring them over to your side.

The combination of both is a very rare skill that correlates well with intelligence. Note that it requires both emotional & analytical intelligence: you need to understand what motivates people, and you also need to understand the numbers & segmentation well enough to make sure that you're empathizing with the right group of people.

CEO, BTW, requires a similar skillset. I used to think that CEO was a do-nothing role that you got through political favors, and maybe in a couple dysfunctional companies that's still the case. But in a functioning, market-leading company, being CEO requires that you first understand many different perspectives, and that you can synthesize those into a course of action that avoids pissing off any one core constituency too much.

A lot of the research around the evolution of intelligence suggests that some large part of what we think of as intelligence is inherently intertwined with the ability to socially signal, prevaricate, and negotiate: to assert social dominance of a group through out-thinking rivals and being better at swaying the majority against those rivals. (Thus why sarcasm is considered inherently witty, exactly to the extent that it's subtle enough to trip up some people but not all.)

If you take the dual roles that a President embodies: that of "managed to out-politician every other politician"; and that of "is believed by the technocrats of their party to be capable of negotiating foreign policy, trade agreements, and military conflicts"—you end up with a fair proxy for that particular 'evolutionary' measure of intelligence.

It makes more sense looking at it the other way.

It would be difficult for an unintelligent person to get that far without screwing up and making a bunch of mistakes.

> Presidents are

I'm not sure if you mean to refer to only American Presidents or national Presidents globally, but there can be a wide range of them, as far as I can tell. Unless you've looked and found that leaders of even the most far-flung of nations are as described?

The guys who write the speeches are called speechwriter, in case you never heard about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speechwriter

On that very page a picture description reads "U.S. President Barack Obama and aides Carol Browner, David Axelrod and Jon Favreau working on a speech (...)".

Did Justin.TV succeed for the original investors?

I know that Twitch was sold, but I heard that it was completely separate from Justin.TV

Yes. I was one of the first Justin.tv investors. I think my final return was about 97x, so that's pretty good.

From my perspective at least, Twitch was essentially a re-branding. Basically, they saw that gaming content was popular on Justin.tv, so Emmett decided to move that on to a dedicated site. Ultimately Twitch far eclipsed the justin.tv site, so they shut that down to focus entirely on the Twitch side.

Based on the Startup School podcast episode I heard with Emmett, it sounded like it was less that gaming was popular (I think he said it was 2% of traffic) and more that it was the only content that Emmett actually liked watching. (Not trying to disagree with you, given that you were there, more trying to give another perspective.)

I dont see how it couldn't have. Twitch was almost undoubtedly built on the JTV tech stack and staff. Also consider that Amazon owns the justin.tv domain.

same company

Another cruise co-founder was Justin's younger brother.

Yes! Fixed.

Kyle also introduced the founders of Dropbox!

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