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TSA apologizes for forcing 4-year-old to remove leg braces at airport screening

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31 pointsjacquesm30 comments

4 years ago while i had a severely sprained knee, denver tsa made me hop about 20 feet total without my crutches. that was awesome fun.

Bastards. That's not without risk, if you had fallen your sprained knee might have turned a lot worse. Reflexive response to a fall is not something you can overrule even when injured.

wow. thats really horrible.

TSA is killing tourism to, from and through America.

As an immigrant, I can certainly attest to the number of friends and relations who've listed the hostile attitude of customs and immigration amongst their reasons for not visiting more often.

It turns out visitors to your country don't like being treated as if they are unwelcome, and terrorists by default. America is not some gift to the world that visitors should be grateful for the chance to visit. It's just another arbitrary geographical nation-state, no better or worse than a dozen others.

What evidence do you have of that? (I'm genuinely curious)

Anecdotally, while agree that they are a complete joke, I certainly haven't flown any less recently.

I didn't provide any evidence because I haven't got the research to back my claim up. The only way to gather real data would be to publicly proclaim some random blocks of calendar dates to be TSA free and see how much tourism changed during that time. I'm sure it would be interesting to see how much terrorism changed over that period (any effects would probably be exaggerated).

I can tell you it affects my personal travel plans (I try to avoid a stopover in the US on the way from NZ to London for example) and it makes me feel more negatively about the US overall. It doesn't take much to tip the balance from "I'd love to go" to "I'd like to go, but xyz location seems easier / more fun"

Since I live outside the US, I have an actual choice - if you lived inside the US you are pretty much forced to tolerate the TSA whenever you fly. I read a lot of horror stories online, and I don't like being near people with sidearms.

Fair enough. I suppose, being already inside of the US, that I don't really have a choice in the matter if I need to go somewhere. I certainly haven't thought twice about flying instead of driving, in fact I'd definitely prefer to fly if it's more than a couple hours drive. Being a fairly frequent flyer, I guess I've just gotten used to their "process".

I'm reminded of a post from a little while ago about Israeli airport security. Highly recommended if you haven't seen it before - http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1024850

Yes, that is how security should be done. I read that report and am simultaneously amazed that this system is being embraced and disgusted that it isn't more widely adopted.

All the TSA does is turn people off US travel - it is 'letting the terrorists win' by having huge effects on the USA's standard of everyday living.

Once again, all rhetoric, no evidence. I keep waiting for the TSA to realise that this is all security theatre and change to an invisible, but effective security system.

I have, I have tons of friends stateside but I've vowed to stay away until normality returns. If it never does than too bad, there are plenty of countries where I can go without being insulted every time I have to deal with the authorities.

I'm not a masochist.

I live in the UK. A number of my friends have either been hassled by the TSA, or have expressed reluctance to travel to the USA because of them. Anecdotal, I admit.

I'm a US citizen but currently live in the UK. I'm more interrogated going back to the US than I am any other country. (And that list includes everything from Ireland to the Ukraine.)

Personally I don't think citizens should be made to feel that way by their own border police!

I've had the same experiences (although I live in the US also). At some point, I have to wonder what happens if I say "no further questions" and just walk through the customs area. Are they going to deport me ... back to where I am?

Very very bad things happen.

Yes, but if everybody does it then it might actually restore some normalcy.

This is woefully anecdotal and I wouldn't let it stop me, but I've mentioned my regular trips to the US to a lot of people here in the UK and I frequently get responses like "Ooh, America - aren't they supposed to be really scary letting you in when you get there?"

The TSA (even though they're not known as that) has a reputation in all sorts of places you wouldn't expect. Not that that should put anyone off, but hey, I'm always a bit on edge when I arrive there - they just create that atmosphere (to sweat out the true nasties, I guess).

Despite its utility in making the undesired 0.01% uncomfortable, a feeling of oppression is still not a nice first or last impression of a country.

And since the bad guys have no doubt anticipated just that it seems to be effective only against those that weren't planning any nasty stuff anyway.

Not turism, but for business I plan on driving rather than flying to Toronto from Boston in a few weeks when I have to go back.

An apology in this situation is like giving the kid a towel rack. Giant corporations apologize to cover themselves, that does not make up for what they did and it's not going to change the way they act in the future.

Especially since they said "I'm sorry, we should have done xyz demeaning and frightening testing in private instead"

"Rubin writes that the TSA, in its apology, said Ryan should have been taken into a private area and swabbed for traces of explosive materials."

How is wearing leg braces probable cause for terrorism?

You mean you haven't heard about the new wave of disabled child terrorists?

This is so sick it makes me pretty upset. That poor kid has a lot in life to deal with already, these people have turned a brief rest from those issues in to a nightmare of humiliation and fear.

A letter of apology ? After a year ? And only because of media pressure ? Disgusting.

When I hear these stories, I sometimes wonder where any ounce of common sense comes in with the workers. Or how anyone could seriously demand that a child take off their braces and walk unassisted through the metal detector. Disgusting.

Because terrorists would NEVER use children in their attacks: http://www.literaturejunction.com/showthread.php?8100-Iraq-i... (sorry about message board link, the linked yahoo story is down). As you allow one group to bypass security, you have two problems. First, you open yourself to discrimination charges by people you don't let bypass security. Second, you run the risk that terrorists will recruit someone in the protected group to carry out an attack.

Your damn right there smallblacksun. The IRA started a "proxy bombing" campaign in the early 1990's (the 1st modern terrorist group to do so). If they can do something like that, you can bet yer arse that the people who send suicide bombers wouldn't hesitate to do the same.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb

Right... because it happened in the past we must now and until eternity take away the dignity of handicapped children all over the world, even those who aren't even close to fitting any profile whatsoever, and do so in the most coarse and rude way available.

Your absolutely right that they shouldn't have treated the kid that way. But, to ignore the possibility that terrorist group will follow tactics of other organisations isn't very sensible.

But, to exclude any section of the population from security checks is inane (that assuming the security checks are worth the trouble in the first place).

The only reason the IRA stopped "proxy bombings" is because of the public outcry. Do you think someone on a jihad will have any qualms at the public outcry of using a 4-year handicapped child's family hostage and forcing the kid to do something pretty nasty.

Read some of the quotes here: http://www.palacebarracksmemorialgarden.org/Royal%20Irish%20...

"A man was told to drive where the soldiers would be and if he did not comply his two sons would be shot. He was to tell the soldiers they had forty minutes to get clear but within seconds of reaching the check point the bomb exploded."

And this is in nice civilised Ireland. Don't think it could happen here?

I can't believe it! The TSA I know would never apologize for anything or to anyone :-)

My daughters got "Junior TSA" stickers at the Burbank airport: http://img124.yfrog.com/i/ts1q.jpg/

Dream big!

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