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Personally I cannot stand frameworks for css. They completely screw up the default styles, and make it much harder for other developers to quickly make css changes to a site.

CSS frameworks are different from other programming frameworks because it overwrites defaults. It is equivalent to something like overriding printf in c to do add an extra character at the beginning. Its just ridiculous.

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You know that's on purpose, right? Different browsers have different defaults. Therefore, the easiest way to ensure consistency is to start from a clean slate and be explicit.

Yes, thats the problem. When I add an h1 tag, I expect some defaults such as display:block, margins and padding. When I add a p tag it should NOT work the same as just adding br tags. I should see the default spacing between paragraphs.

I'm sold on CSS resets. When I add an h1 tag, I expect it to be styled exactly the way my CSS styles it, and nothing else (e.g. a default 1em bottom margin in some browsers but not others).

I never use frameworks. I just use Meyers reset and take it from there.

Exactly!

It's not like it is really that complicated to make it work from there... If you think it is, learn CSS properly (i.e. stop cutting corners!).

No, the easiest way is just to be explicit. On the other hand, trying to chase pixel perfect look in different web browsers is just a waste of time these days, so having slight differences in whitespace is OK, imho.

http://dowebsitesneedtolookexactlythesameineverybrowser.com/

I can't stand trying to figure out a 4 column layout that works in most browsers. Also, there are really lightweight frameworks that don't touch default text and form styling.

These frameworks are fine but they are few and far between.

This one is 1kb http://www.usabilitypost.com/2009/05/29/the-1kb-css-grid-par...

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