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Dave Winer: Bored with Buzz after 15 minutes

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I don't think Dave could bring himself to enjoy anything that prominently features Atom, PubSubHubbub and OAuth. Dave didn't invent these things and as such Dave's personal development stack doesn't support these things.

I'm just surprised that Buzz doesn't somehow reinvent an application he deployed 3 years ago (which sank like a stone unnoticed) but is now evidence of Google's evil intentions to destroy his established internet standard.

you're full of shit. my stack supports oauth and atom. havent seen the need to do anything with pshb yet, but if i do i'll support it too.

Winer and the majority (all?) of those commenting act as if Gmail has been this walled-off pristine email client. WRONG. There is chat, RSS feeds, SMS, Calendar, Docs, Location and iGoogle gadgets, etc all bundled up in Gmail if you want them. It has never been just about email and might as well absorb status updates and Wave-isms. These people sound just like users complaining about every little change with Facebook.

How many use those features? So there's an indication of how many will use Buzz.

All I'm saying is that I can't understand how anyone who uses Twitter regularly can claim to be bored with Buzz in an intellectually honest way.

It's the same criticism people have had with wave really "I log in, nothing much is happening, it's boring" Wouldn't facebook be pretty much the same if all your friends weren't posting?

Fair enough, but considering Buzz has only rolled out to a small portion of gmail users, it's a premature in the extreme (hence "intellectually dishonest") to claim to be bored with it.

What indication? Are usage metrics on those features public knowledge or something?

I have no idea... do you?

I use google-talk within gmail on a regular basis. All of our documents are in google docs. My calendar (both social and work) is a google calendar.

While I'm not terribly interested in buzz, I'm not about to write it off simply because I'm not interested.

The articles assertion that it's doomed by its API is just ludicrous. Twitters API is rather simple and plugging in yet another social network API hardly seems like a big project at this point. They're all pretty well abstracted out at this point.

I'm not bored with buzz after a few minutes. Looks like someone is trying to capitalize on the hype of buzz (to catch the buzz so to speak) for their own blog by saying it sucks.

7 paragraphs and 0 to say.

But at least each paragraph had its own permalink.

But they're indexed anchors, so if he ever inserts or reorders content, the links will break.

Clearly, his individually indexed paragraphs are undying prose that mustn't be modified.

Seems to me that Dave Winer is always down on something. If its not Buzz its twitter or PubSubHubbub its something else. I don't know Mr. Winer, so I try not to judge, but to me he just seems to be negative guy.

I don't know, he's been pretty enthusiastic about a lot of things, and, anticipating snarks, not just his own work.

To take one of your examples, he was quite enthusiastic about Twitter, championed it in the early days and staring building on it.

Even earlier, I seem to recall him being supportive of Ev Williams and Blogger way back when it was, arguably, a competitor to Dave's Frontier and Radio products.

I think a lot of people don't appreciate the amount of expeience the guy has in the tech industry or what it has taught him. He embraced the web back when a lot of geeks were still in diapers, and before that had a decade or more as an entrepreneur/developer in desktop software.

He's definitely opinionated, and can be abrasive, but his stance is generally that of an advocate for both users and small developers. He likes accessable interoperability and hates it when big companies come in late and try to coopt standards to their advantage by pushing complexity to shut early innovators and upstarts out of the space.

I might be mistaken, but didn't they say in the Q&A portion of the announcement that today's API release is only the beginning and we should expect a more featured API by Google I/O?

"Wahh, it's not rss and rsscloud-based."

Dave Whiner.

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