Gmailify: The best of Gmail, without an gmail address
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On past experience - they'll fold the functionality of one into the other - partially and imperfectly leaving users irritated once more.
Still - it's not like I'd be safe from this anywhere else. Products from smaller companies are in constant danger of aquihire shutdowns or similar.
And open-source has still yet to produce UX that's much better than 'parity with the mainstream from a few years ago'.
But to be fair at my university there are also a lot of students that drive brand new or fairly new cars too and I've parked beside too many Porsches the student parking lot.
Plus, data plans are available everywhere now. For the most part, I use only data. Also, SMS doesn't work when you have to keep switching SIM cards and phone numbers. I can't login to half of my accounts that want to do SMS verification because I registered those accounts using a different SIM card in a different country; I have to wait till I return to those countries before I can login to those accounts and do something about them.
E-mail doesn't have this issue. I've had one e-mail address that has been associated with me for 15+ years that has worked 24/7 internationally. Phone numbers have to practically change every time you step across a country border. Phone numbers are a horrible way to identify me, at least.
I fear for gmail. I still hurt from google reader being removed. I would have paid £10 a month for google reader had they just asked.
I cannot see myself ever using Inbox. I tried it and I just did not like it.
Personally, I think it would make a lot more sense if there was a clearer separation: emails only showing up in Inbox or Gmail, but not both. Any email that Inbox thinks is/was an actionable "task" should be tagged by Inbox's algorithms as such, and this should hide it from Gmail's default views. Then, you scrub your Inbox for what people want of you—and check your Gmail every once in a while to see what's piled up, but otherwise generally don't worry about it. Gmail would then just contain your non-actionable emails: the stuff where seeing it would never give you an anxiety attack. (It'd still let you do bulk operations to all your messages including the actionable ones, though.)
I think that "messages AI-sorted into separate bins, and then viewed through separate apps, but all in one email database" is actually quite a flexible architecture, and could be taken even further. For one example: email newsletters are another thing that's discrete from regular email†, and has different viewing needs and associated verbs. You could have a Google Reader-like interface that was really just plucking all the newsletters out of your email and displaying them cleverly.
But do note that Gmail would still be there, and still be actively maintained, even if you managed to create fancy abstracted email viewer apps covering the complete gamut of emails people receive. There are many "generic email" tasks that right now only Gmail performs, that Inbox has no plans to add support for: creating filters, adding forwarding accounts, etc. Effectively, Gmail is the "file manager" for your email database, the thing that deals with the unabstracted objects and lets you do maintenance tasks. You can't really throw it away any more than you can throw your file manager away.
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† You know why Google Reader was killed? Because RSS engagement and opt-in and open-rates are much lower than the same metrics concerning email newsletters. Anyone who wanted to make money publishing some regular piece of content cared about these metrics, and so ended up pushing their content as an email newsletter, leaving RSS to be solely the province of amateur personal bloggers. So, more and more, the people with power at Google who cared about consuming content just got it in their email, and generally forgot that RSS was a thing.
(There's a whole rant I could go on here about the fact that RSS was intended to be a supplier-side microformat from the start—a way to ease the burden of syndication to encourage custom blogging software to expose syndicated data—and there was never intended to be such things as "RSS Readers", but rather a much more active ecosystem of plumbing—like, for example, gateways to consume and transform feeds into things like emails. Such plumbing was intended to be employed by the website author, in the same way they'd employ e.g. a reverse-proxy like CloudFlare. RSS was meant to be the internal protocol between the blog and such infrastructure software: like FCGI/WSGI is between web servers and application servers. Picture a world before webhooks, where web servers are dumb and you can't expect to be able to "dial out" a server-side request from your app's crappy VPS; picture the architecture you'd use to hook e.g. Mailgun up to your website in this world. That's RSS.)
i personally use it as well, i just love the 'dismiss everything' button :)
I use GMail to fetch and filter my main account mails, I don't spread @gmail.com address much, keeping in mind that we will left with closed or transferred service. So I have a plan-B.
At least this is how I see as a long term user: they don't do evil, but removing good is also evilish.
Has it really? I get update notifications literally every day, sometimes multiple times a day, so it seems like development is still very, very active.
> Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface
I feel like Inbox and Gmail are separate long-term interfaces working on the same data set that serve completely different sets of users.
* It doesn't show full messages on Android Wear devices. You know, Google's own product. Gmail does.
* I can't figure out how to set up a filter in Inbox. The settings page is incomplete. I still have to go back to Gmail to change settings. So I might as well just use Gmail.
* The pins in Inbox don't sync up with the stars in Gmail. Pins, stars, tabs, automatic Gmail categories, automatic Inbox categories, seriously, can we just have one system?
I'm a huge fan of Inbox, but this still gets me all the time. Inbox was pushed as a kind of advanced application to advanced users, yet I have to go back to Gmail for any kind of advanced settings or configuration. That makes absolutely no sense at all.
If it were still in alpha, i.e. "what do you think of this idea", I would understand that some things are missing and gladly provide my feedback about the concept. But once the concept is verified and being pushed as a kind of "ready for consumer use" beta, it really needs to be complete in features before I would make the switch for real life usage. Especially for a mission-critical product coming from a large company with enough developers.
No mixed messages here, Google has a penchant of making 2 of everything[1], and they can keep at it for years at a time. ChromeOS & Android, Google Maps and Google Earth (and Waze!), and so on. There is cross-pollination of ideas, and some products eventually coalesce.
> Is 'Inbox' the next-gen Gmail interface or a hobby project
I think the answer is 'neither', just like the iPad wasn't the next-gen MacBook. Inbox is just another email client that is certainly not for everyone, it holds a little too strongly to the inbox zero philosophy to be mainstream.
Having both Inbox and Gmail as separate products makes sense because at their core, Inbox and GMail are different beasts, I use both for different contexts. Inbox is great for organizing my personal email, GMail is great for work email. I wouldn't trust Inbox to properly organize my work email, and I don't have the energy to manually organize my personal email.
1. http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/googles-product-stra...
Gmail is a mail client, inbox is so much more.
I don't use it as the ability to only apply a single label to an email is a feature regression.
Chrome and Android will reach feature parity, but will always remain as separate entities due to branding.
Running Android on top of Windows just doesn't sound right, but it is what is effectively happening with Chrome supporting Android apps.
With N1, you can run the entire stack yourself, or use our hosted version. Plus, N1 is built to be extended by developers using JavaScript, so you can build anything you want into it.
More here: https://nylas.com/n1
(I work at Nylas.)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bv82he6wlcea3d2/Screenshot%202016-...
Looks like it cannot be disabled?
Right now that data comes from FullContact. If it's wrong, you can write them to dispute/update it. https://support.fullcontact.com/knowledgebase/articles/47266...
Despite N1 calling their cloud engine "open source", the authentication part isn’t – and isn’t included.
If you set up the open source variant yourself, you’ll end up without any authentication.
The tokens to auth are world-readable under /accounts or /n
I ask because I don't want to link my 15 year-old Hotmail account to it if that's the case. I'll just stay with the web client.
How would you justify that it's 'dreadful'? Am I just deluded?
(I work at Nylas.)
Nowadays, with the more enterprise-y features (policy, etc.) of the {Gmail,Apps} for Work, I at least get _why_ they're not on parity. But if you asked me 5 years ago, I would have never guessed this (Apps users missing out on XYZ) would still be a thing.
Go to the Google Apps Admin Console (https://admin.google.com/AdminHome).
Navigate to Apps > Additional Google Services
You'll see a gray bar at the top of the screen ("Filter: Top featured services"). Click the "X" on the top right to disable that filter.
Scroll down to "Web History" and select "On for everyone."
Each user may then need to also enable Web History for his or her own account (https://www.google.com/settings/accounthistory/search).
No, it shouldn't be that hard, but, yes, that will work.
How did you set it up?
I wonder if those of us who already have third-party email accounts in the Gmail app will be automatically upgraded to this.
It seems like for Gmail to provide this functionality, it needs to copy your external email to Google's servers and do server side processing.
I can't imagine that it does spam protection, Google Now cards, and search all client side.
Now just rebrand it without the visible requirement of having a Google Account. I wouldn't be surprised if you're still getting a Google account in the process, it's just not advertised.
By the way, while Gmail always has offered ways to just "import" your messages from a third party address, with Gmailify you get a full two way sync, so you can e.g. keep using the Yahoo UI and your changes will show up in Gmail.
From what I gather those permissions were requested by the exchange server, so my university would be the one to blame. Why a server would ask for this permission is beyond me.
Probably just your exchange admin doesnt have an incentive to change the settings.
This can never go wrong.
No they aren't. You get no permissions by default. You have to do work to get any.
What's likely is Device Administration was added as a feature for exchange admins to remotely erase compromised/old/whatever phones.
> Microsoft
And you can artificially decrease it by setting simple script that would send some random mail to that account and then just filter it on gmail-side.
Inbox is worse for me (although I realise probably not for most) because automated emails are usually really important for me as they are telling me something stopped working, but emails from people might not be that important because I get hundreds a day.
Between the issues with the Gmail web client, and the problems I have with Inbox, the whole "Gmail" product is one of the worst products that I have to use, and I try to distance myself from it with good email clients as much as I can.
Yeah, I assume you mean the manual refresh button that has gone missing? Pisses me off too when I know there is new mail.
You can click "Inbox" again to force a refresh. Still sucks, but better than reloading the entire page forcibly.
It's depressing. I switched back from Chromium to Firefox and been getting tons of small issues like this...
Is it at all possible to make it "an @gmail address" to match the article?