People in Silicon Valley Don’t Click on Ads
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The most successful drug dealers don't use their own stuff, I hear.
Edit: I think I sounded a little snarky here. To be clear, I'm a huge fan of silicon valley. But I thought the analogy was humorous and thought provoking so I thought I'd share.
[1] http://thedailyjournalist.com/theinvestigative/are-the-inter...
[2] https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/11/101130111326.h... (although I'm pretty sure this extract misinterpretates some parts!)
I could certainly see how, for example, repeatedly checking your phone could mirror the behavioral aspect of smoking cigarettes. However, losing your phone won't cause withdrawal symptoms like headache, nausea, or fatigue.
Also, I'd agree that social behavior being focused around online interaction could potentially serve as a deterrent (or at least distraction) from drug use / crime. Based on Todd Kendall's paper [Pornography, Rape, and the Internet](http://idei.fr/sites/default/files/medias/doc/conf/sic/paper...), porn has been responsible in some part for the decreasing rate of rape, but not other crimes. I can't find much research on non-rape crime being affected by internet use, but the St. Helena TV study by Tony Charlton did show that aggressiveness in children was reduced by the introduction of TV. Obviously TV is far less interactive than web-browsing, but it's the most similar study I can find. :P
Think about it: Even the worst "physically addictive" substances, let's say heroin, will be completely clear from physically in 7-10 days. Two weeks tops. Anybody can put up with that and, in fact, many addicts do it all the time. If that was the differentiating factor, locking up an addict would work because they would come to their "senses" after no longer physically dependent. Obviously, that's not how it is. Real addiction is something much deeper and cognitively still mysterious. Physical withdrawal (those first two weeks of hell) is called, in the treatment community, the easy part.
I think when most people use the "physical dependence" reference like you did, they are really trying to categorize and emphasize (internally or externally) that among substances and behaviors that are addictive, certain ones more often consume a persons entire being. This process is still a complete mystery and even if people can't or won't accept the amazing power and bizarre scope of cognitive function...it is certainly not 'physical dependence' and I therefore don't think there is any real need to continue with that minor classification.
To be successful, a person has to somehow manage & deal with PAWS, while also facing life, and the deeper causes of their addiction. This is why I am an advocate of recovery that includes bupenorphrine. It allows a person who has the right motivations the space to recover.
It is an unjust tragedy the way this country/world treats people who suffer from addiction.
Taking that further, it could mean the focus is even more intense on those who do go out, and when you go out. I suppose you could try to measure this by finding historical statistics on where people spend their time, inside our homes our outside. After dealing with confounding factors like decreased employment.
I think it would be wise for us to reflect on, and admit, that we (power users) are currently getting a far better than average deal in providing for the web services we use.
Quality content, services, and products are expensive to make. An internet where we pay for it instead of it being supported by user targeted ads isn't going to be covered by paying 10 cents per article you really liked.
Searching tells me that CPM is typically between $1 and $10. That implies ad income per site view of $0.001-$0.01, right? The fact that clicks are worth $1, or even $100, is irrelevant. What matters is ad income divided by site views. If every viewer paid that price, enforced by a paywall, the owner would earn as much as they had from ads.
There's Google Contributer, which lets you pay several pennies per article rather than see ads. It could work if existing ad networks let you opt out of ads and cover the display impressions.
Edit: It also shows you pictures of cats instead of ads - http://i.imgur.com/v3jSqyg.png
Major news organisation provide a couple of paragraphs about the latest development and the interesting part is not the journalists opinion, but what the thousands of people reading the article have to say about it.
This holds for good sites, for e.g. youtube and some others - the comments are mostly worthless.
This is as well-studied as you'd expect of clearly quantifiable data worth billions of dollars, and remains socially contentious.
It's said often you are more likely to survive an air crash than click on an ad.
By the way, the fact that you have to be mildly stupid or technologically illiterate to really be clicking on ads is the proverbial pink elephant in the room. To further extend this reasoning, building up stupidity and lessening tech literacy is actually functional to Facebook's and Google's business models.
UK and USA were the worst for clicks, the rest of Europe a little higher, and apparently in the Far East everyone clicks everything multiple times. Click through rates were ridiculous.
Also interesting to note that despite being online and profitable for yearss they never did find a way of making Facebook pay, in any nation.
We never did make sense of it!
It was killed off fairly quickly outside US and Europe as it was just burning money.
But, to be honest, they're always Likeing some junk they found in an ad or a survey or "10 ways to do something" junk article. So, fair enough.
People absolutely click on ads. All the time. Regardless of where they live. Digital advertising is not some mystical industry but actually one of the most scientific and data-driven with a massive amount of metrics generated everyday.
I know the author of this article but it's a very slim look at the entire ad ecosystem. There could be a thousand reasons why SV just has less ad clicks with anything from less facebook use to more adblocking to less fit for the audiences that many companies (that are advertising on facebook) are actually after.
There are just as many other adtech companies and channels that show that SV has very high interaction rates in clicking on whitepapers, signing up for emails/newsletters, webinars, etc and other kinds of advertising outside of facebook. Even google gets tons of search ad clicks in SV.
Facebook metrics are cool but it's important to remember that they are just a little sliver of the larger ad market and that the larger context matters anytime you analyze numbers like these.
I've now made it a sport to click, after I accidentally clicked, another few dozen times. Kinda like Cookie Clicker.
Most clicks are accidental, or people doing fraud (for business or fun reasons)
More: I accidentally click an ad, get angry, click it another 100 times, and end up laughing about it.
Next week, when I have time, I’ll just root my device again and install AdAway and XPosed with YouTube-AdBlock and YouTube-Background-Playback, and the issue is resolved.
"Contextual advertising is a form of targeted advertising in which the content of an ad is in direct correlation to the content of the web page the user is viewing. For example, if you are visiting a website concerning travelling in Europe and see that an ad pops up offering a special price on a flight to Italy, that’s contextual advertising. "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdSense#History , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contextual_advertising
These advertisements add value to me and the site owner, and while I don't like them, I do not mind them if they are appropriately done and non intrusive.
I don't give a crap about the latest clash o clans rip-off, and if you advertise that to me you're hurting your CTR.
Google knows what you're after, right now.
Facebook knows what you're into, in general.
PayPal/Stripe know your propensity to spend money online.
I would argue that the perfectly targeted ad will want to know about all of these. Google's data & mechanism (search) is probably the most useful; there's a pretty good chance someone searching "where to buy X" is looking to buy X. Combined with purchase data and personal preference data, the ability to target would seem near-perfect. Not only would you know whether the user is likely to buy X online, but you would also know what brand of X they might be interested in (eg. if they liked "Dell"), where they would prefer to purchase it from (eg. if they liked "Amazon"), and what bundling might appeal (eg. if they liked "Logitech").
For some people, this is the nightmare scenario. All these big companies putting together their data to algorithmically know what a consumer will buy before the consumer knows what they will buy. I'm with you, though. I think it would make advertising a lot less annoying, especially if it leads away from "we need your attention!" video ads into hyper-targeted text & images.
The underlying assumption, though, is that advertising companies would be more successful if targeting were better. Undoubtedly, a segment of their audience would be in much higher demand than they are now. I suspect that a lot of other segments would be in much lower demand, though. Would Emirates bid as high on Google for "holidays in Europe" if they knew I had never spent online, was elderly, and liked "Cruises" on Facebook?
Because the power balance is completely in favour of the advertiser. They employ psychologists[1] to improve the effectiveness of their adverts — that is, to make people buy things they didn't actually want to buy.
[1] http://www.psychologyschoolguide.net/psychology-careers/adve...
You dream about things people don't want. There is no reason to solve it with complex technical solutions, when "contextual advertising" makes sense and is relatively easy to implement - and everybody loves ads that make sense too.
If I read an article about a book (book review), please show me an ad to buy the book.
Aren't geeks missing out by ignoring things targeted specifically to them (us)? Are geeks just stubborn? If you say things like "we get a better deal because stupid ad clickers pay for our internet experience", you are completely missing the fact that such an ad clicker probably made a valuable discovery through an ad, one that was even worth real money!
Do most HN-ers really believe all ads are fraudulent rip-offs designed to trick us just into clicking on them? Sure some are, but people here seem to think they all are.
I learned from an early age that every single ad was essentially evil. All of it was a trick to get me to click something I did not want. Maybe, if they hadn't done that (and if they had ever really stopped... cause they haven't) I wouldn't have Privacy Bader, uBlock, and Disconnect running all at once.
In the beginning all I had wanted to do was get actual information on a topic or download the latest version of something for Windows. And every time I see someone not running highly aggressive adblockers I can understand why they think somethings on the internet are so complicated. "Just google it" -> "Yea, and click which irrelevant ad which takes up the whole first fold of the page on my not Retina MBP?"
Frankly, your comment reads as someone whose livelihood depends on advertising.
Well, according to the numbers SF people do click ads from time to time. I just can't imagine all ad clicks to be by accident and so by definition not all ads are useless. So maybe HN-ers that never click ads and always ignore them, do miss out.
And no, I don't miss out, these people are trying to raid my wallet.
Some ads are pushing adware, malware or worse, for sure. And some AdSense ads are designed to look like search results, to trick people looking for Chrome or whatever. But even honest ads are designed to trick us into buying stuff that we hadn't planned on. Or to trick us into impulse buying, without proper research, reading product reviews, asking friends, and so on.
But I'm rather aggressively blocking anything/everything I can.
You made a good guess. Is that something to brag about? An opinion that you feel the need to "constantly explain to people" borders on ranting... (an embarassing past-time of my own)
1. Knowledge - I know an ad when I see one. And I know someone's getting paid for that click. It's like knowing the trick behind a magic trick.
2. I used to click ads - I clicked a ton of ads when I was still learning to use the web. So now, my bullshit detector is well trained. It can tell spam just from the URL, the wordings, the color...
3. I see fewer ads now - Host blocking + ublock block origin.
Also note that this seems to be rounded up to the nearest whole number, so we can't figure out like:ad click ratio or something like that from the data.
He said that everyone at their company used Adblock, to the point where it was part of their developers' standard checklist when debugging issues that their clients were having ("first, disable Adblock").
And that reminds me. It's very hard to get reliable information about new products. Just about all "reviews" are just advertorials.
I occasionally will click on ads for webcomics that seem like they might be interesting.
I've clicked on ads like that.
I don't know, but I wouldn't think so. I don't use ad-blockers (never have), and I don't click many ads. I go around them or close them, but for the most part have learned to ignore them. The only ads I click on are targeted ads that are relevant to my interests. I would think that technical people are less likely to be duped into clicking them, but I wouldn't attribute it to ad-blockers.
Reflecting on how I act, even back in the day "before ad-blockers", even if I saw an ad that seemed to link me to the place I wanted to go, I wouldn't click on it.
Instead I would open up a new window/tab, actively go to a search engine, search for the website/company/product I was interested in visiting (perhaps the one mentioned in the link/ad) and enter via their website/front door.
I think this is a behaviour I've picked up from the historically learning that banners/popups are just BAD NEWS...no exceptions. Like powerpoints, attachments or strange emails, I just have ingrained in me these things are not to be trusted and to not engage with them. Who knew where they're really taking you with their redirects, what they're doing, if they're really sending you where they say they are, or whether there's some hijack/virus/whatever. Back in the day, they were just generally something delivered from the seedier side of the internet: something to be avoided.
Nowdays, the seedier/annoying side of the internet has of course become the mainstream, but that's why we have ad-blockers.
I'm curious to know though, if I'm the only person who, through their own behaviour/history/preference, has been trained to go straight to the company/source/product rather than through an ad even when its presented to us...
I use vimium so I do occasionally fat-finger or mis-read a flag and end up following an ad.
The ad happens, sometimes we respond.
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here is what he wrote: If I were back in high school and someone asked about my plans, I'd say that my first priority was to learn what the options were.
Silicon Valley, or people on HN generally, are doing this unconsciously. I was shock that a lot of (non tech)people accept things as they are (as default). They let phone APP like LinkedIn scan and grab the contact list; buy things that are in the trend; over estimate price but underestimate value, etc.
ADs is good only if they introduce something new, CES-ish new, something that are not in the trend but available up on request. Something that you are not aware of, hope we get to that type of ad-era soon enough.
Or do "we" also ignore ads for things we do want and the rest of the populous does not, and are the rest of the people therefor smarter and better of? Are ads always fraudulent rip-offs? Really?
I don't know the comment about the Bay Area being "sooo leading" is necessarily accurate. We "lead movement" in a group of users based on the fact we adopt (and work in) technology more than other groups. This isn't elitism (which your comments lean toward implying) but more realism of the situation. Silicon Valley is where most of the high technology in the world originated. It only makes sense the natives that live near that region are more likely to be designated as early adopters. Of course, you can take my comment any way you like.