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Here is a comparison table with Parse, Firebase, CouchDB and others for easy reference: http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html#compari...

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That's not a very fair comparison. The table is missing almost all of the features that make parse so great. Parse is easy to use on any platform. There is a parse SDK for android, iOS, JavaScript, C... The focus of parse as a product is usability for devs.

Kinto may have parity with parse features in terms of technical details, but the usability is not even close.

It seems like you should update self-hostable for Parse. They did such a good job that one of our guys in Developer Relations put up https://cloud.google.com/nodejs/resources/frameworks/parse-s... with instructions in just a few hours (mostly writing it up).

PouchDB is missing. It is implementation of CouchDB but in javascript, for both client side (as in-browser database) and server side (as replacement for CouchDB). PouchDB + CouchDB are great, especially with Mongo-like queries.

They list "Fine-grained permissions", but AFAICT, they don't support custom (programmable) permission rules. Is that correct?

That's correct. Permissions apply on a matrix of {buckets, collections, records} x {read, write, create}.

I'd like to point out that Ramses (http://ramses.tech) has these abilities: https://nefertari-guards.readthedocs.org/en/stable/acl_filte...

Looks like we need to start marketing better :)

Great! We were thinking on moving to CouchDB. Do you know if they have any client side code, like PouchDB ¿?

> Offline-first JavaScript client

> Python client

from here : http://kinto.readthedocs.org/en/latest/overview.html

If you move to the Couch ecosystem, you'll also have the option to use Couchbase Lite for iOS, Android, .NET, etc. As well as Sync Gateway which has dynamic fine grained permissions. Of course the whole ecosystem is open source under the Apache license.

Info on the mobile clients http://developer.couchbase.com/mobile

What's the Couch ecosystem look like these days?

I poked around with CouchDB over the Christmas holiday but it seemed kinda dead. Is Couchbase still going strong?

Yes see the other comments here and the comments on the Parse announcement. Couchbase Mobile is being used by major airlines as well as General Electric. And a bunch of start ups and other brands.

It's quite active, though most development is going into the 2.0 release (which adds things like clustering). Here's the alpha if you're interested. https://couchdb-ci.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/release-candid...

Cool, is there an ETA on 2.0?

I remember not being able to find much of a roadmap when I was doing this evaluation, but that's probably just my fault.

Don't think there's an ETA, but there's a list of issues which are blocking the release. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/COUCHDB-2932?jql=proje...

FWIW, it shouldn't be difficult to upgrade from 1.x to 2.0 as you'll be able to replicate from a single-node database to a clustered database.

https://github.com/Kinto/kinto.js/

check out http://hood.ie for a client-side api backed by couch

One thing that possibly could be added to that comparison: rethinkdb.

Rethink doesn't have a native http API though (as in for frontend/clients, I know it has an admin UI over http)

Meteor Livequery / DDP should really be on that list.

https://www.meteor.com/livequery

Does it really compare to Parse tho? Like one of the amazing things about Parse was how easy it was for a nub to pick up. (I know from first hand exp)

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