In the rest of the country, which is fairly sparse, you can find high standards of living, minus some of the extras you'll find in the rich, dense, coastal areas (extras usually in the form of various culture and activities). However, due to the lack of local demand, the prices are lower.
This creates hugely variable economic conditions on the order of the differences between London/Paris and Budapest.
Housing, like anywhere, dominates living expenses after taxes $30k/yr income looks more like $22k/yr. There are single bedroom apartments, not fantastic, but pretty nice, around where I live that are $2k+/mo. Now you have no money for food, transport, clothing, hobbies, etc. You can find cheaper places for around $1.5k+/mo (there are no housing options here under $1200) but that still leaves you pretty thin with $4k left to spread across the entire year for other necessities.
On the other hand, in Omaha, Nebraska, I found some comparable apartments at $500/mo. Which gives you a little more than $1k/mo for the rest of the year. You'll probably blow through half of that on food and half of that on car expenses (cheap housing in the U.S. implies almost no public transport options) and now you still have no money for savings or hobbies.
The median income in the U.S. is ~$54k/year (about the same as Europe but a hair higher). But that also means children, a couple income earners and so on.
Note that the average local more or less intentionally can't afford the time or money to visit the tourist traps. If you are not rich and want to visit the museums and galleries of Chicago, or attend a Bears game at the stadium, or a music concert, you can't live in Chicago because then you'd be too poor, you have to live elsewhere and visit.
What dense, expensive, low standard of living areas provide, is extremely dense employment. No matter how unique your job is, there's dozens to thousands of positions within walking distance of your current employer. In the more rural areas you'll see a lot more sinecure behavior, retired in place, people who've worked the same place for 20 years, nobody (such as yourself) gets promoted because the company doesn't grow and nobody quits, etc. Long term relationships are comfortable and lower stress on average, yet also less exciting and less adventurous, just like with love life.
There are also minor behavior constraints. If there's 50 companies all doing the same thing in a big city, then stack ranking basically wastes a lot of HR money pointlessly shuffling people every year, but at least its possible, whereas in a rural area especially if its a company town, stack ranking would rapidly destroy the company because the applicant pool is too small to sustain bad behavior. As a gross generalization people tend to spend far less time commuting in rural areas than urban, but the rural commute has more (high speed) miles so it is more expensive, in the city a twice a day rush hour commute might waste more than two hours of precious life per day, but at least its short therefore cheap, whereas in the country it'll be a comparatively lightning fast 30 minutes each way, but at 80 MPH and 50 cents per mile, that'll be an expensive 40 mile daily commute. City people are amazed how much rural people spend on their commute, rural people are amazed how much time city people spend on their commute.
Ah, but that's an American perspective. In Britain museums and art galleries are generally free, for exactly this reason.
Yes I know Dublin isn't a suburb of London or whatever, but culturally its not that far away.
Ireland's economy and cultural sector is distinct from the UK's and much smaller. The Guinness Brewery and Book of Kells are really exceptional cases which cater to wealthy international tourists. They have little to do with local cultural life.
However, the free days are often during the weekdays and I think during work hours, so lots of working people can't really take advantage of them very often.
This is true for Wisconsin also. I think OP is hitting the right point that many states easily allow you to live comfortably at around 30k p.a. (after taxes). It depends a lot on whether you have a family or not, party a lot or not, materialistic in general or not.
>cheap housing in the U.S. implies almost no public transport options
I am not a citizen but this isn't true for Milwaukee where I have been living for almost 2 years now. I have not needed a car because bus service is awesome and Uber (or Lyft) help me out other times. It also helps if bike tracks are good in your city, so that's another factor to lookout for.
PS: You can actually just flat out save 1 million by mid 30's working for big co.
Yep, if you're serious about saving, this is entirely doable. I'm not at all on track for this because I'm not dedicated enough. But when I lived and worked in the bay, I knew a couple of guys who saved >50% of their take-home every year. They maxed out their 401Ks in the first few months and then redirected the money to other savings. Someone earning $100K before taxes can absolutely save a million in cash by saving aggressively for a decade and a half.
Hell, my roommate in grad school earned $30K/year and managed to save $10K one year, despite buying a (used) car. This was the result of cheap cost of living and generally just being really frugal.
Furthermore, having money to buy unnecessary stuff for your hobbies is not the metric to go by. The more important metric is about what you're able to save. Important questions are:
* Are you saving enough money to ensure a comfortable retirement?
* Are you saving enough money to buy your children (assuming you have/will have them) a decent education?
* Are you saving enough money to cover medical expenses later in life?
* Are you able to set aside an emergency fund?
If the answer to any of those questions is "no", then you should probably be concerned.
[0] https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/software-tester-salary-SR...
If I´m not mistaken, Finland has free healthcare, education and generous welfare system (that you said you benefited from, as you should), all of these should be taken into account when making comparisons, since they factor in the taxes companies have to pay for hiring people.
That said, it still seems a bit low for Finland, but ok for a recent graduate.
Other sources aren't nearly as helpful, but they put me somewhere in the middle of all people (or something).
I'm sure some people earn more, especially closer to Helsinki, but currently I'm content with my earnings.
So don't be surprised we worry about money.
I was working at a video game publisher at the time and we tried to take advantage of it, being an American company but with roots in Japan, but there was some cultural and communication issues that helped lead to products that didn't sell too great and negated all benefits of cheaper development in the first place.
I wouldn't be surprised if many of those companies are still struggling today.
To a first approximation, how much house does your $30k income buy/rent you where you live?
(Even within the UK, I went from "choice of buying 2 bed flat or renting a 3 bed one" to "4 bed detached house" at the same salary by moving further away from London).
Cost of living varies a lot, but overall Americans are pretty rich in comparison to most Europeans (in the sense of being able to afford more imported Apple products made with child labor). Our median income is 35% higher than Germany and 50% higher than Finland. The flip side of that is that there is less of a safety net and having less money here is a lot harder. For example, our cheap urban neighborhoods are far more dangerous than comparable neighborhoods in most European countries.
It really is. However in Silicon Valley cost of living is so expensive that earning 100k/year still makes you relatively not all that better off.
Where I live most of senior software engineers make around 30k/year with higher cost of living than in the US (excepting hotspots such as SV/SF/NY/...).
People who have spent their whole lives in places like California have no meaningful perspective. You get millionaires crying due to their "poverty".
Its if you have > 1 mill in liquid assets that you are a millionaire.
Please stop the ridiculousness of blaming "poor" people for the recent housing collapse.
http://thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/355/the-g...
If you make six figures and are "house poor", it means you're either bad at making financial decisions or you feel the house is worth the sacrifices. Either way you aren't poor and shouldn't feel poor.
I am not poor, but I am not rich enough to get access to 1MM$ mortgages.
There is a difference between a bachelor pad in Bratislava Slovakia and a suite in Trump Tower - yet both are merely "appartments".
If you think software developers in SV have it bad, imagine how it must be for cleaners and food service workers in the same areas.
This is what bothers me about SV devs bemoaning how high the cost of living is. The self absorption is really offputting. Oh, you can't afford a house in Palo Alto? How sad for you. The guy cleaning your table probably commutes for an hour on BART and still spends the majority of his money on rent.
I lived in the bay area for a while. I get that housing is absurdly expensive, to the point that six figures doesn't feel like a lot. It is a lot, though. Saying things like "six figures isn't really much money" is just tone deaf. You aren't poor on six figures.