New book argues we can’t expect new tech to rekindle rapid economic growth
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But then it slowed down after 2005 and now Bob Gordon is back with his theories about "productivity is over" and growth is finished etc. The new twist is that he claims today's technologies are not as important to productivity as the early 20th century were. Well, the 1988 paper has comments by William Nordhus who shows that in the period from 1900 to 1917 productivity growth was zero and it was very low between 1924 to 1937. For the whole period the productivity growth came in a burst from 1917-1924 and then 1937 to about 1948. The reason is productivity is based on combining technologies in novel ways and it doesn't proceed in a regular 3% manner like population growth or investment. It is likely "bursty" and non-uniform. I fully expect to see another explosion of productivity (and thus economic growth) as mobile/cloud/AI/ML start infiltrating the general economic system.
[1] http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Projects/BPEA/1988-2/1988b_...
I don't see how I, personally, am supposed to be productive in a novel way with technologies that require a compute cluster and a Google-scale dataset to yield useful results (for instance, "big data" machine learning).
Yes, AWS is a thing, but that still ultimately sounds like the small entrepreneur with a novel idea paying resource-rents to a megacorp to get access to the opportunity to monetize his idea.
If that's the best level of productivity growth that we can expect in upcoming technological revolutions, then I think the data you point to supports the author's fear that we won't be getting back to kind of growth that we saw in the past.
[1] https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp15116.pdf
More importantly though, Bob Gordon is predicting that this number will drop to 0.2% due to six headwinds. In turn he suggests our per capita doubling will take a CENTURY going forward.
I agree that his worst case scenarios are silly, and would only happen in unprecedented circumstances that are far outside the scope of a discussion about productivity.
However, I think 2% is quite low compared to our expectations. It feels like we should be living in a revolutionary age where productivity growth is accelerating, and looking at the actual numbers has been sobering. We have incredible technology like AI, 3D printing, and robotics, but we haven't been able to leverage them to much effect. Much of our growth is coming from slowly expanding on the same simple techniques that the generations before us pioneered -- building ever bigger ships, creating larger marketplaces, extending education.
With finite resources on this planet, there are only two possibilities: either we can get used to overall economic growth slowing down, or we find a way to massively increase productivity to make up for the slack. I want to see the latter, but seeing the numbers convinces me that we won't get there on the road that we're on.
That's before you consider the fact many countries have not yet experienced the productivity growth of electricity and computers to their full meaning they can achieve much higher than 2% growth.
Until then, there isn't reason to think a tectonic shift will easily happen.
Steamships and canals were a powerful revolution, opening up huge parts of the country to international trade, captured well by how the Erie Canal opened the midwest up to the Atlantic.
Rail was another powerful revolution, allowing people to be in New York City and Chicago on the same day. Upon being in both cities on the same day, people observed that the cities didn't have their clocks set the same way, as that was never possible before.
Instead of a new human transportation revolution, the information age gave us a way for ideas to travel rapidly. At the speed of light in some cases. This is certainly profound, but consider how HUGE an idea this is. If we look at the start of the information age as 1971 when Intel opened its doors, then we're already 45 years into this one. A lot has been done. There's still more left, but it's probably about upgrading the rest of the planet instead of finding whatever US industries are left to be upgraded.
If I were to speculate, I might say the next revolution that could change society in a comparably profound way would be self-driving cars and other forms of automation. Perhaps around 2025-2030 society will be cool with cars driving themselves and many, many businesses will be started to explore the automation space. To compare, there were over 1800 car companies in the US between 1896 and 1930, but today there are 2 US car companies. Another comparison, there were once 500 US steel companies, but today there's basically 2. So perhaps 2030 starts with self-driving cars moving the same speed as human-driven cars and maybe by 2080 they go 300mph instead, which would upgrade humanity's transportation capabilities in a similar manner to when rail upgraded steamships or when cars upgraded rail. This would open up huge amounts of land that is otherwise inconvenient and could give rise to new housing technologies, as new houses would surely be built on this newly accessible land.
We are 45 years into the information age. It's completely reasonable that it's not blowing our mind asunder the way it did 10, 20, 30 years ago. I am VERY excited for whatever comes next.
If you follow Marc Andreeson, Chris Dixon, Fred Wilson, etc, you'll see they are all very fond of her work too.
1. Mainframes/Mini computers
2. PCs
3. Desktop internet
4. smart phones
5. Mobile broadband
6. Cloud
7. Machine Learning
8. AI/IoT
Each one has a different investment pattern and each one is affecting industries in a different way in a different time period in different geographies. So why are all of them clubbed under "information revolution". How is clubbing Mainframes with smartphones makes sense. According to Perez' the peak investment in this phase happened during the dotcom period. This can't be right. No smartphone, mobile broadband, AI, ML, IoT existed in a investment form in 2000. I have seen some adjustments to her theory which seem more like adding epicycles to ptolemy's. Not satisfying at all.
According to Perez, the peak investment phase in financial markets paying attention to tech was during the dotcom boom. This definitely happened. The amount of money invested in tech companies was gigantic compared to what we see today. The dot com crash caused a loss of $5T. If we sum up the valuations of all the unicorns that exist today, we're not even close.
> The dot com crash caused a loss of $5T
Paper losses. Actual investment was in the 10's of billions. As a reference, investment in mobile broadband globally in the next few years alone is going to be about 10 times bigger than that.
Regarding the paper losses... sure. But Perez's point was more that a huge bubble would crash, which was the dot com, and then society would get mature about what the actual tech could do. She then follows that by saying massive companies would get created in the maturity phase, which your point about mobile broadband investment agrees with.
It sounds like you really like this topic. I do too. Would love to talk more about it either via email or in person (if you live in NYC). I am teaching myself these topics and want to know as much as I can. My email is in my profile in case that's interesting.
7. AI/ML
8. IoT
There's basically no reason to put "Internet of Things" and "Artificial Intelligence" together except that they're two fairly recent buzzwords.
It can even redefine the meaning of "wealth", although that would likely be a "demand-side" improvement and count negatively into the GDP.
As specific example, if somebody gets a cure for cancer tomorrow, and it's cheap and available for everybody, it'll make the entire expensive cancer treatments go away, and won't add to as much spending. Also, people that saved money this way may choose to work less, instead of consuming something else. End result, human wealth has an incredible growth, while the GDP goes down.
Do the same to all areas of medicine, and you're still only touching the surface of biotech's potential.
This particular thing from Johns Hopkins is just incredible and gives us a glimpse of what might be in 50 years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NOncx2jU0Q
Who's going to be able to afford those?
I think in the short term we won't get a lot of economic growth. But I think these things happen in phases.
We are waiting for the next big breakthroughs. I think Artificial Intelligence, 3D printers, robotics and cheap sustainable power will be the key things to create a new potential for high growth.
E.g. if we perfect the technology to 3D print large structures that should bring down costs for house construction a lot. Companies are starting to do this now. But we are in very early stages.
AI and more advance robotics will allow us to automate so many tasks we are stuck with using humans now which really limits productivity growth. It is very hard to increase output from a doctor, teacher, lawyer, cab driver, cooks etc at the same rate as say a car factory.
This sort of development doesn't go in a gradual phase. As we develop AI we are not gradually making medical diagnosis cheaper or driving cheaper. The huge cost reductions will come when these technologies are completed and can start replacing people at massive scale. Once cars, trucks etc can be driven by and AI, transportation costs will get huge cost reductions.
Likewise with medical science. If an AI can diagnose you, one can save enormous amounts of money.
The Kaldor-Kalecki nonlinear dynamic business cycle model, the Kaleckian profit equation and Robinson's growth model are probably the most interesting results out of that era that still retain an influence on heterodox thinkers.
That said, one should be very wary of all such simplifying models since they all carry contestable assumptions. Nonetheless, they do pose intellectual curiosities.
I don't know if Robert J. Gordon explores this. The Post's review mostly rehashes the more naive dystopian arguments, so I'll have to check.
Let's not start saying everyone who maintains a position you don't like over a long term is "on a Jihad".
> I found a 1988(!!) paper where he is complaining that productivity has been slowing down for 20 years (in 1988)
Which is consistent with the claim that 1870-1970 was a special century for technology-driven productivity gains.
Take Google, for instance. I can now get at the world's information, for free. This only shows up as Google's ad revenues in the GDP statistics, but it's worth far more than that in terms of utility to everyone else. The real value doesn't show up in the statistics because Google is capturing so little of the actual value that they create.
While I personally work in a field (cloud services) that is totally driven by PC and internet productivity, I would probably look at the world a lot differently had I grown up with family and a career in the manufacturing sector post WWII.
-Most tools we still have for enabling productivity are such crap - trying to emulate paper document based workflow, instead of offering a task oriented one.
- AI:s can probably observe employee patterns and raise red flags if someone seems to be goofing off. Less need to spend time in reporting, more time for value creation.
So, hold on, let me get this straight. As artificial intelligence advances, the really productive application for it is going to be haranguing people into working harder?
What in the world!?
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That's a bold misreading of the macro environment. Competition for funds expresses itself in higher rates, not lower. If the author's "competition for funds" intensifies further I think we may be in danger of being crushed under piles of money.
If it were just atoms, "growth" would have slowed down a while ago.
I see no evidence that markets have attained equilibrium. At the very least, the entire planet would need to be raised to a middle-class lifestyle first.
Solar system I think, lifting 10 billion people (UN Estimate for 2050) to a middle class lifestyle will probably require more resources than we can find on Earth alone.
Energy, metals even hydrocarbons (though we probably need to burn less of those but most fertalisers/plastics require them) are all out there for the taking.
I find wasteful extravagance grotesque. You find people rubbing bodies together grotesque.
And I like many cultural developments of that era. None of them have to do with white people in their racist suburbs driving gas guzzlers between the city and their useless lawn.
As for your side point: I'm actually rather fond of the idea of people rubbing their bodies together. But I think it's quite a bit healthier for the folks concerned, their families, and society at large, if they happen to be married. Just compare the progress the black community has made since Jim Crow with the regress of the black family. In 1965, 24% of black children were born to single mothers. Now, it's over 70%. If you consider something to be grotesque if it hurts a culture's long-term health - THAT is grotesque. And tragic.
Countries that have good social programs encouraging single mothers to progress with their lives and giving them the support they need have better outcomes, I think it's insanely short sighted on a societal level not to do this, those children either grow up as functioning members of society or not and the cost on the not option is far higher.
Here in the UK the media went to town on single mothers and it was awful (our media mostly is tbh).
Just picturing all those piles of composted grass compared to the pile of leaves raked up in fall...
Now, consider that 1950's lawn still exists today in cities like L.A., experiencing extended drought. That's approaching grotesque, at least the judgement is coming from the same era that the aesthetic is being executed. Thing is, lawn irrigation (and other resources that go into landscaping) is a lot more efficient than typical "flood" agricultural irrigation, and it's in agriculture where the efficiency gains by reducing evaporation loss has the most promise.
I'm not a Rebublican, but we have too many laws, and regulations. It's stifling in business, and on a personal level. Every day, I think, "What law, or potential fine will I possibly get today. Ever business decision is made with the legality of the move front and center. I don't like living like this. It's like they castrated me. I never thought America would turn into this.
Growth should reflect increasing living standards, not growth in economic rent extraction.