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2 points from the defense that had a "checkmate" feel to them when first presented in the show, but were then never brought up again. Anyone have a pointer to details/followup/refutation on these? (Spoiler alert, obviously)

- Colburn calling in the plates/make/model/year for the victim's car 2 days before it was found

- Victim's voice mail was checked at 8am the day after she was supposedly killed

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Actually, I never understood the big deal about the plates. Why couldn't it have just been the victim's family telling him the plate number, and him calling it in to verify?

The most frustrating bit to me was the EDTA business, and how the lack of proof that it came out of the vial somehow made irrelevant the tampered evidence package that the syringe-sized hole in the tube.

The package being tampered with was problematic, but the hole is made when the container is filled with blood not when removing the blood. If you're removing blood, you just take the lid off.

During the inspection of said package by the defense attorneys, they mention having asked the staff whether a hole in the lid should be expected, to which they replied "we don't do that". This was the "Okay, this documentary is over now. Next scene will show the judge dismissing the case based on newly discovered evidence, right? RIGHT?"-moment for me. Not so much.

To be fair, that wasn't the only scene where I felt that way ...

They never specify what he asked them, so it's hard to know.. He might have asked if they use a syringe to access the blood in the vial, which they wouldn't since you can just remove the rubber stopper and have complete (undetectable) access.

Hard to find good pictures, but you can see here: http://i.imgur.com/mhdkpui.jpg some vacutainers (newer, but they work the same) that have been filled, complete with puncture holes. That's just how you fill them.

It's a lot more compelling that the evidence box has been tampered with, in my opinion. You can find a few phlebotomists confirming this in the makingamurderer subreddit, if you look around.

This makes sense, thanks. Pity this wasn't brought up in the documentary, it's not like there weren't plenty of other weird things going on.

100% speculation on my part...but what would some type of radio communication have went out giving the license plate and make/model for the car associated with a missing person?

If so, Colburn could have wrote these down and was simply calling in to ensure he got it right.

"Colburn calling in the plates/make/model/year for the victim's car 2 days before it was found". Should be usual when someone disappears.

"Victim's voice mail was checked at 8am the day after she was supposedly killed". By who? The family? The murder?

The series did not show the past of Avery before this affaire. Specially when he burns alive a cat while laughing. Maybe there would be less watchers to believe in his innocence! I am currently writing on this affaire and read of lot of documents, and I have no doubt he is guilty. For the other idiot, Dassey, it is less sure.

I think that he was a teenager when he burned a cat alive. Usually teenagers make stupid things. I know people that make things like that and worse in their youth and they aren't murderers.

It's strange that they don't considered the possibility of Bobby Dassey and Scott Tadych being the murderers or the "German" man: http://www.convolutedbrian.com/an-alternative.html

He is not a teenager when he bought a pair of handcuffs and iron legs. "This was to try something new with my wife" he said, laughting. His wife is jailed at the time. What a good surprise for her, when she is released. Not to mention the project of a torture room he described to his inmates.

The series shows his past incidents, including the cat.

>Specially when he burns alive a cat while laughing.

Covered in episode the first episode. Maybe you weren't paying attention!

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