For the Wealthiest, a Private Tax System That Saves Them Billions
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The article talks a lot about "loopholes" and a "private tax system" but fails to mention the fact that in 1992, the long term capital gains tax rate was 28%, and in 2012 the highest rate was 15% (enacted 2003). That's not a "loophole" or a policy enacted in private. It's a conscious policy decision, one which was a part of Bush II's economic platform, and one which was publicly debated at length both when it was enacted and when Obama effectively made it permanent in 2013, except for raising the top bracket to 20%.
You say it as if it was intentional. This was in the heat of the fiscal cliff on new years of 2013[0]. Hard to claim that it was very much a rational, deliberated decision.
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_fiscal_cliff
Of course, this loophole would not exist if investment income and regular income were taxed the same way. In fact, the more you simplify the fax code the harder it is to game it.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10457725
The fact is that this is going to happen because there just isn't a "one size fits all" tax code that would work.
If you tax income, then people will take their compensation in a corporation.
You tax corporations, then people will take their compensation in a deferred format, like options.
YOu tax that and people will just move their money making operations off shore.
You tax that and people will start to use charities, ala the famous Walton family charity tax shelter... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-09-12/how-wal-ma...
And now it becomes very obvious why the tax code is so convoluted. If you make 8 figures year then it's worth your while to spend alot of money to structure your finances so you pay as little tax as legally required.
Someone like Mark Zuckerberg never needs to earn another dollar or get another option grant again. He can just let his capital gains appreciate and loan against it such that he doesn't have to ever pay income tax again.
As an accountant once told me unless you tax wealth then you can't fight this... and good luck getting an annual tax against wealth passed into law.
The direct tax clause of the original constitution, even as modified by the sixteenth amendment, probably forbids such a thing at the federal level. So it'd likely take a constitutional amendment.
That said, I'm not quite as pessimistic as you. Between consumption taxes and estate taxes (which are about the only wealth tax we have) we could get at most money if we had the will to do so. The estate tax is filled with holes because Congress wants it to be, not because of any inherent complexity or definitional difficulties.
There is an ultimate tax avoidance strategy of renouncing citizenship and living and consuming abroad. I would impose a lifetime ban on entry on renouncers, but beyond that I think it is fair game. If you aren't an American we shouldn't be taxing you.
Also it is my understanding that if an American would like to move to another country, and become a citizen of that country (for any number of reasons), they have to renounce their American citizenship.
People moving to the United States, on the otherhand, may retain their citizenship of certain countries, such as Canada.
I'm not aware of a single American individual who gave up their citizenship for politics (and I work in this field).
Secondly, nobody has to give it up if they obtain another citizenship. US government actually makes it hard and expensive to go through this process.
>> I'm not aware of a single American individual who gave up their citizenship for politics (and I work in this field).
Firstly I'm not sure which 'both' are untrue, as I had 3 points, so your response is a little confusing.
Politics: There where some number of American men who where wanting dodge the American draft before it was abolished in 1973, particular in the 60 and 70s. I suspect some number of draft-dodgers renounced their American citizenship. Similarly, some number of American women did not want their children to be subject to the draft, and didn't agree with American wars, so they too moved away, and renounced their American Citizenship--I know some women for who this is absolutely the case. I also know some people who currently reside outside of the US who would renounce their American citizenship were Trump to be elected president. I would say all of these example falls under the board heading of "politics".
I would agree that it is currently the policy of the US Government not to make individuals renounce their citizenship where they to become a citizen of another country, but I do not know the history. It is that other countries do make new citizen renounce their other citizenship(s); Singapore, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renunciation_of_citizenship
Similarly, if Singapore citizen was to obtain American Citizenship, s/he would have to renounce their Singaporean Citizenship.
I find it hard to hold a grudge against wealthy individuals who minimize tax liability. It's perfectly legal and it's in their best interest.
What if it was made legal because they bought politicians who made the laws in their favor?
Also, the law isn't moral. Lots of things are legal but completely immoral. Slavery comes to mind as an historical example.
I don't agree. Almost every nation, state, and locality in the developed world and a great many elsewhere have done it.
> Who determines what is the fair share?
We decide democratically. Most of those nations, states, ad localities have been doing that for a long time too.
Wealth has many of the same problems. Unless you're going to try to tax someone's global holdings (how?), it's much easier for a hedge fund billionaire to park (and enjoy) his money in Chilean wineries and Dubai-registered jets than it is for a mere millionaire. Sure, you can buy a little plot in the south of France or a condo in the Caribbean, but it will cost you a much larger fraction of your income to keep it up and travel to enjoy it.
And trusts can shield wealth just as well as they can shield income.
It's effectively impossible to make the top few hundred taxpayers pay an effective rate much higher than 15%. But other than some appeal to fairness, who cares? They're already paying thousands of times over what the median taxpayer is.
The how - is what is in the wind - international cooperation.
What you're missing is that people who are in favor of these kinds of shenanigans tend also to be emphatically against this "equality" rubbish.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/12intop400.pdf
Life in the U.S. is good, but nobody is getting an "unfair" allocation of all the great benefits and opportunities the federal government provides if they're paying $56M for it.
Now, that's the limit of what's morally "fair." What's "optimal," taking into account competing developed countries, may be a lot lower. But taxing up to that limit is "fair."
I feel there is another "fair" - that of paying the same percentage of income or wealth as everyone else. This is easier to explain and appeals to a more monkey brain part of us.
As an example (from the cbsnews link)
While the tax rate on dividends has since jumped to 20
percent for people earning more than $400,000 annually,
that's still far below the tax imposed on wages for
America's highest earners.
20 percent on dividends !? That can't be right ? In the UK we get the same rate as all other income (40 rising to 45).Can I move ?
That's the difference between taxes on investments and on income. Investors are risking loss in a way that workers are not: If your boss stops paying you, you stop working.
And since Bangladesh's median per capita income is something like $600, it implies that tax rates capturing all but $600 of the median U.S. worker's $51,000 would be "morally fair". 98.8% effective rates!
I don't think a definition so constructed has any significant value.
The morally fair tax rate is more like 85%--the median U.S. individual income is around $30,000, while the median PPP-adjusted Bangladeshi income is $3,300. But yeah, that's absolutely fair. Just the simple fact of being born in the United States, keeping everything else equal, gives you a huge advantage in wealth.
$335 million!
The ultra-wealthy get a huge allocation of "benefits and opportunities" from the government, much more than anyone else. $56M seems like a fantastic deal, as it pays for the system that is set up pretty much entirely to ensure these top earners make gobs and gobs of money forever.
1: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-400-highest-earning-american...
You mean justice? And other than an appeal to justice, what is wrong with any injustice?
Redistribution doesn't have to mean taking cash from one person and handing it to another. Instead taxes pay for investments like national security, scientific research, infrastructure, education, health care, environmental health, etc. These raise the overall living standard, and if the rich pay a larger proportion of these costs, it is a form of redistribution.
So yes, it's destabilizing for ultra wealthy to keep trying to take all the marbles.
This is a problem that could be solved with sufficient political will. But, since our politicians are owned by these top few, and the government provides the framework under which these top few stay at the top, there is effectively zero chance that this political will could ever materialize.
Canada addresses the personal/corporate problem with an integrated tax system: To a first approximation, individuals who receive corporate dividends get a refund of the taxes which the dividend-paying corporations paid on that income. It never works out exactly equal, but as long as I've been running Tarsnap the difference between "pay a bonus" (employment income for me, deductible for the corporation) and "pay a dividend" (dividend income for me, paid by the corporation with after-tax dollars) has been less than 1%.
I really don't understand why other countries don't use the same system.
I understand what you're saying. If you make $50,000,000 per year, then at some point it's worth spending $500,000 on an accountant who will manage to avoid you paying $10,000,000 in taxes. The math clearly works out, and that's why people do it. I get it.
But man, does it really need to be that way? Is it really so bad to "only" gain $40,000,000 per year instead of $49,500,000? Can you really not get by without that $9.5MM? We've got crumbling infrastructure, cash-strapped schools, students loaded with debt, and the fallout from a housing bubble, but Mark Zuckerberg really needs that new yacht.
Anyway, I can't say I wouldn't do the same in his situation. I understand the motivations. I'm just griping.
* Numbers all fabricated to illustrate my point.
Doubling or tripling tax revenue from the super wealthy would not provide the funds to solve any of these problems, if indeed they would be solvable with "more money". There just aren't that many super wealthy people.
If you assume they can make 10% annually on that wealth (probably optimistic), that's $200B/year.
It is totally implausible given the history of U.S. tax policy and compliance, but let's say you could capture a 50% effective rate of that.
That's $100B/year: Not even half the increase in U.S. tax revenue between 2013 and 2014 due to economic growth[1]. Did that extra $200B enable Congress and the President to solve significant problems last year?
[1] And whether you believe in the Laffer curve or not, it's hard to imagine that levying a massive tax on billionaires' investment income would have a positive effect on economic growth & thus tax revenue from the non-super-rich.
But isn't there an argument to be made that when these ultra-rich are stripped of their billions, they are less likely to spend money trying to do things to bend laws to their benefit?
If Koch brothers / Soros did not have the billions they do, they'd spend a lot less gaming the system, thereby the larger population of non-rich having greater power in the system, in essence ensuring better democracy, do you agree?
I think we have exactly the government one would expect from taking account of the demographics of voters. 2/3 of voters in midterm federal elections are 45+ and the median voter in municipal elections is pushing 60: https://www.minnpost.com/eric-black-ink/2015/07/tracking-tur....
Given the demographics, I have a hard time seeing what exactly would be different if the rich had less power. I mean, are we going to raise taxes to make health care free for younger people, when the median voter is going to be eligible for Medicare in a few years anyway? And is it really rich people lobbying for more surveillance and resisting decriminalization of drugs, or is it my mother?
While your mother may be voting for such policies, she is likely not lobbying for them (or writing them). The companies and high net worth individuals who have a financial stake in these policies are the ones doing that.
Every piece of legislation that exists benefits a rich person in some way.
[1] Which they do by a huge margin, with the sole exception of marijuana: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/17/drug-legalization-p....
There was recently an op-ed in the New York Times about this very subject.+ I encourage you to read the comments. Every time the issue is raised you get the same predictable whines about how tough life is on two or three hundred thousand dollars a year. A typical complaint is about how expensive Manhattan apartments are, which is like complaining that it is hard to make ends meet after making the monthly Ferrari payment.
+ http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/28/opinion/campaign-stops/250...
I am most certainly not opposed to the idea of taxes since society cannot function without the government providing some essential services. That said, I am opposed to paying a dime more than entirely necessary as it stands today because I see so much of my tax contributions being wasted.
* Medicare ineligibility to negotiate rates
* Military projects that are vastly over budget
* Government budgeting practices that promote blowing your entire budget at the end of the year so that it's not cut the next
* Excessive and abusive pension amounts for public employees
* Refusal to appropriately discipline public employees (police) for wrongful conduct
I can keep listing more, however before I am asked or required to send in another penny to be spent, I personally would expect at least some of these issues to be addressed, at least where spending is concerned. Until progress is made in these areas, then I will continue to be staunchly opposed to any tax increases and will do whatever I can to lower my own tax bill. If I feel my money is being wasted, then I may as well be the one wasting it rather than the government.
(To be ultra-clear, I know this is in the realm of fantasy-land and I understand why.)
It's interesting that you mention education and infrastructure as the big problems, because this is an article about federal taxation, while those are largely state and municipal areas of responsibility.
We spend more on education per capita than every developed country except Switzerland. And while our infrastructure is crumbling, it's because states and cities choose to pay for it through regressive means such as user fees instead of taxes. That's probably because they're in competition with other states and cities to attract residents and businesses.
They didn't get that wealthy by understanding the meaning of the word "enough".
#ProblemSolved
(Also, having it in addition to others, instead of making it the traditional Single Tax ruins the whole point.)
Ideally it'd be the single tax, but that doesn't preclude it from being useful in conjunction with other taxes. For example, we could start by simply replacing property taxes with LVT, and that alone would spur economic growth.
And wealth managers often charge fees based on a percentage of assets (at least for $1/2+ million accounts). So there is precedent for such a system.
The political reality of expanding on this is a different matter. Any change would have to be gradual, because taxation is a huge intervention in market forces. i.e. to just suddenly stop taxing income, and tax wealth or tax consumption would very abruptly change the dynamics of the economy. But we don't have a political system that incentives 10, 20, 50 years down the road sorts of end goals. We have a system that favors the catch phrase of the week.
* I was put off by the tax system. *
The taxes are too high, and too complex.
With such high taxes I'm surprised the gov has so much debt.
Sure there are places with higher taxes.
But I thought America was the land of opportunity, the mecca of Capitalism.
It stil was all that - I would love to have the option to stay there - an amazing experience - the quality of life and the level of consumer choice is fantastic.
However America should consider copying the tax codes of places like Singapore, Hong Kong or Taiwan.
The biggest challenge is of course the federal system which imposes taxes seperately at the state and central gov/federal level - making things complicated - but of course in return creates stronger local alignment and more choice. (Better for democratic freedom)
But especially business taxes need to top out at lower level at the federal level.
In my opinion, as an outsider.
We ended up NOT registering our business in the US and would only do so if forced by investors - but we'll be bootstrapping for a while so not a consideration.
The US as a place to register a startup for an outsider, is a seriously unattractive proposition.
- On top of this the US has this batshit crazy policy of double taxation for international people.
Most other countries have double taxation treatiea so that you aren't taxed twice on the same income!
The US does not.
As someone who's a partner at a consultancy and in the highest marginal tax bracket, I'd be more than happy to pay my fair share if companies like Apple and Exxon didn't use countries like Ireland to avoid remittance taxes to the tune of 250 billion dollars a year, effectively putting the burden on the rest of us. (Well that and if we stopped spending 5x the aggregate of the next most-heavily invested countries re: defense, and re-allocate even 5% of that money to national education, STEM programs for innercity kids, the arts, and the NSF but again, fat chance of that happening.)
But of course, since communism lost, at least for now, it is an easy target for snarky comments.
Every institution was corrupt to the bone, if you wanted to send a package somewhere and for it to actually arrive at it's destination you had to bring 2 loafs of bread and a jar of home made pickles with you to the post office.
Communism like most dictatorships was more or less clean and organized on it's surface. One of the scariest things about authoritarian regimes is just how normal and calm they seem to many people that live under them. Heck martial law is quite commonly regarded by many to be quite "nice", all crime stops, the streets are clean, no one bothers anyone ofc if any trouble ensues all parties tend to be lined up against the wall and shot but other than that it's almost utopic.
Money influence politics in modern Scandinavian countries much less than in modern USA.
That's not my impression, but do you have some data? Perhaps if you include the former Soviet client states?
Though, even if you include the former soviet states, Latvia, Hungary, Poland, etc basically everyone except Ukraine is in the top third of the least corrupt, which is not that darn bad considering.
As for the Nordic states I haven't argued that they are not, I would say that they are potentially corrupt in other means as nepotism plays more than money but again it doesn't matter.
The US is still one of the least corrupt nations on the planet.
A few off the top of my head are Cox Enterprises which does 17B in revenue and is owned 99% by the family, SC Johnson which does 11B and my understanding is it's mostly held by the family, and Hallmark which does $3.8B and is held by the family.
We also could trace back family shareholders of large corporations who have gone public - Wal-Mart, Ford, etc.
Substantially every business owner you know -- the ones with top line revenues of $100k, $1 million, $10 million, and $100 million -- employ 0.05 to 100+ full-time accountant equivalents for the same purpose.
I am on uncomfortably good terms with my friendly local tax office and they're all but begging me "Mr. McKenzie, it will be easier for all of us if you just get a pro to do it for you this time." (Tax agencies essentially delegate surveillance duties to CPAs; a Japanese CPA signing off on my return means the Meguro tax office doesn't have to trouble their heads about how Japanese tax law interacts with an American LLC owned by a Japan-resident American covered by a really complicated treaty.)
I don't know who best fits these criteria in Tokyo yet but would welcome an introduction. I have a strong suspicion that I was the best qualified person in Gifu.
Hence me trudging down to the tax office a few times a year with a notebook, a stack of forms, and a highlighted copy of a National Tax Agency publication with the query "So I've got an odd one for you..."
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Mr. Loeb, for example, has invested in a Bermuda-based reinsurer — an insurer to insurance companies — that turns around and invests the money in his hedge fund. That maneuver transforms his profits from short-term bets in the market, which the government taxes at roughly 40 percent, into long-term profits, known as capital gains, which are taxed at roughly half that rate. It has had the added advantage of letting Mr. Loeb defer taxes on this income indefinitely, allowing his wealth to compound and grow more quickly.
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One aggressive strategy is to place income in a type of charitable trust, generating a deduction that offsets the income tax. The trust then purchases what’s known as a private placement life insurance policy, which invests the money on a tax-free basis, frequently in a number of hedge funds. The person’s heirs can inherit, also tax-free, whatever money is left after the trust pays out a percentage each year to charity, often a considerable sum.
The basic idea with a charitable lead trust is that it's organized for a certain term (a number of years, or life of a specific person or some combination) and during that term, the charity will get specific payments (subject to the trust remaining solvent), and when the trust ends, a beneficiary will get the remainder. If the trust is properly constructed, when the trust is funded, the present value of the remainder is determined and used as the gift/estate tax value for the gift to the beneficiary; if you can make that zero, while also investing assets in the trust in such a way that the remainder is not actually zero, then you've avoided gift/estate tax. I believe the donor also gets a charitable tax deduction for the present value of the payments to charity, spread over 5 years, and subject to clawback in some cases.
I'm not really sure how the private placement life insurance plays in, it's likely a way to avoid income tax for the trust (a charitable lead trust is subject to tax on its income), as life insurance proceeds are generally untaxed.
People will always avoid tax if it's too high. Either they'll pay millions to accountants to avoid paying tens of millions to the taxman, or they'll simply not bother working so hard and they'll stop fighting to realise their career potential.
The answer is not for the taxman to spend tens of millions to reclaim tens of millions of tax. The answer is to lower tax rates to the sweet spot of the Laffer Curve and thus maximise revenue.
That's all too boring and technical for the media, though, and it won't sell papers. The media aren't concerned with maximising Treasury revenue. Instead they indulge people's instinctive grievances around inequality and demonize the wealthy.
Typical assumption is that the peak of Laffer Curve is somewhere between 30% and 70%.
Despite large cuts in corporate income tax and a reduction in consumption tax coupled with temporary increased spending, Canada's debt to GDP ratio is where it was before the '08 crash. The debt increased about 50% during this time, but so did the GDP. Companies stayed in Canada/came to Canada and with growth came more tax revenue. The fear was that the books would never get near balanced again with drastically reduced tax rates, but 2014/2015 was roughly balanced. (Arguably about -$3 billion for the whole year)
It could well be that current taxes rates are at a point on the Laffer Curve where increasing tax rates would increase revenue.
That way we avoid welfare being a trap (no welfare is lost when the claimant gets a job). And we simplify both the collection of tax and the payment of welfare, saving significant cost.
Finland are going to pilot this:
http://finlandpolitics.org/2015/11/05/710/
I think it's an idea that could appeal to both the Right (like myself) and the Left.
So what's the bottom line? "hey, we shouldn't cut taxes because we might just be moving to a different sweet spot"?
(The CBO spends a lot of their time doing exactly that, scoring bills and whatnot)
Both a $0 and a $1 million tax on shoes will raise approximately zero revenue. Why is is the former so much better? Your answer is going to make the very same points elucidated by the Laffer Curve.
And dismissed as a rhetorical device doesn't mean it is useless, it just means that the concept itself isn't worth a whole lot in a policy discussion, at least not once you've got everyone in the discussion to agree that cutting taxes can be beneficial (which I hope is not usually something that requires much discussion).
The article you linked quotes anywhere from 20% to 70%.
There is no evidence the tax income "curve" has a single turning point (given multiple differing sources of of income that are earned in different ways this is almost self evident). Even if that assumption about a single turning point holds there is no evidence that the US are on the right-hand side of the curve.
The Laffer curve was used by the GOP in the 1980s to intellectually legitimize[1] the policy of cutting taxes.[2] They said cutting tax rates on the wealthy would increase tax revenue (!) and the benefits to the wealthy would "trickle down" to everyone else through increased investment, etc.
The results were simply that the wealthy had more money. The federal government developed a massive deficit and while the economy has grown since the 1980s almost all the resulting wealth has been acquired by the wealthiest; incomes of 'everyone else' have stagnated since then.
IIRC, the Laffer curve was never taken seriously by any but partisan economists, and was widely discredited.
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[1] You'll note that all parties love to create 'research' that provide intellectual ballast to their predetermined policies. They know what sells to the intellectual crowd, who see something that looks like legtimate research but certainly don't have the time to study the issue themselves. The parties have pet think tanks that produce studies for them; for example, the Heritage Foundation is a prominent example for the GOP.
[2] As evidence for note #1: Consider whether the GOP ever would consider a higher rate the appropriate level for taxation. Of course not. The results of the research are predetermined by the desired policy. The Democrats do it too, but I don't think they take it to the extremes of the GOP: Climate change denial, the evidence for the Iraq War, not regulatng the housing market before the crash, fighting finacial regulation after the crash, etc. (People want to be 'even-handed' and say it's balanced, the same on both sides, but really it would be a surprise if any situation worked out that way. I'm not partisan, I support any route to more pragmatic and less crazy policies.)
It doesn't get more laissez-faire than Rothbard, and here's him ripping apart Reaganomics from 1987: https://mises.org/library/myths-reaganomics
That said, one should be careful on quantifying "incomes" since it's a multifaceted idea.
What a joke! The media OCCASIONALLY reports on their activities. But most of the time they just don't. NYT has become moderately more adversarial in recent years, though not consistently. Most of the press not counting explicitly left-wing outlets operate as uncritical stenographers, the credulous, fawning tech press especially.
Second, people will always avoid tax, period. If one can spend $1 to save $10, then people will, no matter how low the tax rate is. The bare existence of tax avoidance is not a sufficient indication that the tax rate is too high.
Third, no one wants the "taxman" to lose money trying to reclaim taxes. There are obviously more options than the two you are strawmanning: A) lose money trying to reclaim taxes and B) lower the tax rate.
But yes, the "backward bending supply curve"/income effect you describe also exists, usually for primary breadwinners.
Another idea would be to go back to an apportioned scheme like we originally had in the constitution. Maybe by congressional delegates than by state as RI could not possibly match CA in tax contributions.
Nobody likes what's going on here, yet, somehow despite democracy we cannot produce change.