Skier almost hit by camera drone in World Cup slalom
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This seems to be completely missing in the drone community. I quizzed some drone enthusiasts about it and they responded with "meh", touting that they have home insurance and it doesn't matter.
Anybody interested, even for a few minutes, can get a drone. This is the RC world's "Eternal September".
Local clubs were a much better experience, because they could tell you about the local stores, or lend you the tools and supplies that you only need once (I'm looking at you, green loctite), or help you assemble that tricky part that has terrible instructions.
Also, in a time before ready to fly models, everything came as a broken down, or partially assembled kit. Having someone who knew what they were doing check that you had assembled your very expensive model correctly was an enormous benefit. For a new pilot, having an experienced pilot fly your airplane for the first time, and sort out the trim, etc saved a lot of people a lot of time, money and heartache.
You don't really need any of that with a multicopter - they're so much simpler mechanically. I can see how they've gotten away without that kind of community, but i still think it's a major loss.
Now you can walk into Maplin (UK electronics store) and buy a £200 drone as a Christmas gift for your 12 year old. The rep who sells you the drone won't tell you about insurance, or how dangerous they can be, or anything...
I went Christmas shopping today and saw various £200+ drones for sale in high street shops. You can walk in, buy one, and walk out no questions asked.
Great in many ways, terrible in others. It gives no opportunity to raises issues about liability and the fact that these things are not really toys.
One of the first things I learnt at my club was just how easily a prop will take off your finger (by way of a carrot). They are not toys.
I would liken it to the Wild West, where anybody with money can buy a fairly large quadcopter and go fly it without many consequences. I'm glad there is a push to get these registered.
I think one of the reasons there isn't a greater push for safety (licensing and insurance) is you're not seeing the stories that would compel the general public to react and have a large outcry over drones yet. Yes, you've seen some privacy issues surrounding them, but stuff like kids getting severely injured or this causing a ten car pile up on the highway hasn't happened yet - or at least not that I'm aware of.
Thus, with no major public outcry, the politicians have no desire to push for laws that regulate the industry and the people using them. I'm sure in time, we'll start see more stringent regulation of drones, but for now, there is little if any.
full disclosure: I own several drones and do aerial videography as part of my job.
A baby lost an eye: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-349367...
I guess we'll find out as the investigation goes forward.
I'm sure they had insurance and I'm sure the pilot was competent!
There are three tiers that I remember. A, B, and C. You get insurance through the BMFA, and an A licence allows you to fly solo. B is required for performing at shows. C is for bigger models and teaching/exams etc (iirc).
It's somewhere between apathy and "try to catch/stop me".
The required registration now is almost hilarious, it's just going to be a way to give a huge fine after an incident for unregistered drones, no-one is going to register unless all the stores get together and do it for you when you buy it automatically (and then people will just buy direct from China).
From my experience in flying drones in wintery mountains, it could be a battery failure. Cold batteries suddenly drops in voltage, too fast for the failsafe mechanisms to trigger. Can explain why it drops like a brick and not slowly descends.
* They're only effective from quite some altitude, much higher than you typically fly multicopters
* They'll still just soften the landing somewhat anyway
* Multicopters are much more fragile than, say, EPP planes,
* You have to make sure they don't get caught up in the props
* Also you need to find a reliable way to trigger them -- for model aircraft in general and multicopters in particular, humans are way too slow and sudden high accelerations in arbitrary directions are common for multicopters.
edit -- found the story: http://www.npr.org/2012/05/23/153308887/fight-over-flame-ret...
During the early days, whenever a horse cart came in opposite direction to a car, the car owner was supposed to disassemble the car and hide behind a bush before the horse came near.
We have come a long way :)
The same guy who gets into RC airplanes and helis is not the same person who gets into quadcopters. From what I've seen the quadcopter community does not feel like the regular RC community. Very reckless bunch of folks from what I've seen, and they're ruining it for all the other RC folks like me who have flown for 20+ years with no problems.
And they were right beyond their darkest dreams. Thirty-two thousand road deaths in the US in 2013.
http://www.citylab.com/commute/2014/11/car-emissions-vs-car-...
Why the pilot would insist on using this on what seems like a professional job is beyond me. The industry is coalescing around a couple of field tested professional rigs (DJI products for instance). I hate all these FAA regulations around stuff people do in their backyards but at a professional event like this (with this many people around), it seems like a no-brainer that air worthiness should be tightly regulated.
Source: been building drones for 5 years.
EDIT: This is Europe. So EASA not FAA
https://h4labs.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/dangerous-drones-dai...
As to why "it's raining drones, hallelujah" - too early for that; I very much doubt there's enough of a data recorder to reconstruct the event, even with a commercial-grade drone.
Why do you think that? It's very easy to record telemetry data on even hobby level devices. In fact, it's pretty standard if someone uses a ground station. I'd be surprised if a commercial grade drone didn't have that capability.
The Pixhawk controller (that many of us from the RC / tech community use) can record so much data that it can be overwhelming.
The commercial 3D Robotics SOLO uses an updated version of the same controller, and has such data logging enabled continuously. In fact, it -also- streams it continuously to its controller unit; even if you lose the drone there will be enough data in the controller to figure out what happened. 3DR uses that to back their flyaway warranty (if a SOLO flys away or crashes due to a software/hardware fault vs user error, 3DR will replace the entire thing free)
(I'm not affiliated with 3DR other than owning a Pixhawk.)
I've never seen a drone with data recording that sophisticated.
Not either way.
If it was the pilot's mistake then yes, but if power was lost then the blades would not have had much force anymore. They can cause very serious cuts when propelled, but half a second after losing power they hardly have any momentum left. Tripping the skier over would likely have been the worst of it, if a loss of power was the case.
Either way, safeguards may be necessary when flying so close to fragile objects...
Still, hitting the "solid" bit of the drone (camera, battery), which is probably over 1kg for this type of pro footage, the skier would definitely have been injured.
The folks over there think it looks like the drone inverted and crashed into the ground under power.
I'm also really interested to know more about how this could happen. High end, professionally operated drones don't generally just fall out of the sky.
Happened to programming too.
He was risking it for better shots.
If he was in his zone, then malfunctioned then it would not have crashed there.
There's also been accidents with larger UAVs: http://www.suasnews.com/2012/05/15515/schiebel-s-100-crash-k...
Which is kinda funny, because congress have expressly forbidden the FAA from rulemaking about rc aircraft. the FAA have gone and tried anyway.
A man was killed by a larger drone when, it's suspected, the GPS was jammed: http://lemondronor.com/blog/index.php/2013/3/gps-loss-kicked...
It would be interesting to start comparing accidents per hour for wired and drones.
but it's more trendy if its a drone.
On the other hand, how exciting would this be: "Falling branch nearly misses skier!!!"
As someone else pointed out, daily occurrences are not worth talking about...
Governments can use real drones to kill people and still allowed to continue the death and destruction.
People need to get some perceptive here. I've been flying over 11 years and not one issue ever!
The media shouldn't blow this out of proportion - if quads are banned they will regret loosing such awesome aerial footage.
To ban drones is the simple way out.
E.g.: Who decides to deploy it? The pilot? In that case, signal loss or interference might get in the way. Or does the multirotor decide for itself when to deploy? In that case it could decide to do so at the wrong moment, which can be just as dangerous. You'd need safeguards against this safeguard.
The main danger of these machines are the blades, not it falling out of the sky without inertia in the props.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u...
Just last week a new unproofen airbag system seriously injured an athlete [edit: still under investigation]. The new airbag system was from the Italian company Dainese. The athlete suffered a 3 times vertebral fracture which maybe ends his young career.
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=h...
http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/newsdetail/D-air-Ski-official
http://www.dainese.com/eu_en/athletes/ (the athlete in question isn't featured on the website anymore)
"The airbag is in this debut season by no means standard. Because many drivers believe he would impede on the track. Others fear aerodynamic deficiencies and malfunctions. In addition, the Italian manufacturer Dainese many teams not supplied as outfitters. And so had the sixth race this winter in addition to Mayer only five further downhill in Val Gardena over the air bag striped, four Austrians and two Canadians." (from the source above)
That all changed when Dale Earnhardt died of a basilar skull fracture, and then the drivers lined up to get them. It's now standard equipment on all NASCAR vehicles.
http://www.nascar.com/en_us/news-media/articles/2012/09/11/u...
Thank you,
a fellow European (specifically, from Austria as well)
Both are currently featured in the news and are controversial. The second one happened just a few days earlier.
Same skiing nation (in 5 races, 4 of their favorities were knocked out for (broken bones, etc)). The involved companies came in both incidents from the same country (coincidence, doesn't mean anything).
But instead of downvoting, maybe just ignore it? Several downvoted/flagged it, but a lot more upvoted it. It seems other use a throw away user account to post controversial comments...
All of these companies, like DJI, and irresponsible operators, are ruining the hobby and placing property and people in danger.
I would never, in a million years, think of flying anything over people, crowds, kids, homes, commercial buildings, etc.
All of these systems are 0 F.T. (zero fault tolerant). Which means your decision making while flying them has to reflect the reality that the thing can fall out of the sky at any instant and there will be little or no control when this happens.
What this means in practical terms is that you fly these things EXACTLY as we've been flying model airplanes for decades: Away from people and property. In general, at approved flying fields (clubs) or in the middle of nowhere.
Bullshit like this is what is causing the FAA to now start down the path of treating model airplanes like guns: They are all bad. Never mind that millions of people have owned them for decades, fly them all the time and never hurt anyone. My fleet of probably thirty or so planes and helicopters has never placed even as much as a cat in danger. But, no, thanks to the stupid fucks who do crap like this now I have to register with the government because my planes and helicopters are going to magically charge their batteries, assemble themselves, open the garage door, fly out and hurt people, all while I am watching TV at home.
The irony isn't lost on me here. This is exactly the gun argument. Drones don't hurt people, stupid people with drones hurt people. Let's go after them, not the drones.
[1] http://road.cc/content/news/156795-road-tax-back-chancellor-...
IIRC, it's a traffic offense in Germany, too (as well as here in Prague ;)). While city centers may be pedestrianized again, it's bound to be an uphill battle for some time.
At 3am with no traffic light near you, or the traffic lights being off? just go.
(ducks!)
Other commercial flying objects are rigorously safety tested for their ability to remain in the air despite different mechanical failures. Without the same standards applied to drones, we are likely to continue to see near-misses or full accidents happen. (Note: I'm not weighing in for or against drone regulation)
I guess the issue at hand becomes cost, between licensing, insurance and then building devices that are higher quality as if they could endanger life, I suspect they'll be cheaper than planes and helicopters but quite a bit more costly.
The key phrase here is commercial. There are strict regulations on commercial aircraft, but there are no such requirements for home-built or kit built aircraft. (quick edit, there are regulations/requirements for all aircraft, but it's a much lower standard for home-builts than for commercial)
Many people think that there aren't many kit aircraft out there, but there's actually a huge number. Oshkosh is the largest airshow in the U.S. for experimental aircraft and there were over 10,000 experimental aircraft at the show last year. There's even more who didn't attend the show! For comparison, Delta Airlines operates about 800 aircraft.
Most RC'ers I know are very intentional about when and where they fly; they aren't strapping a GoPro to them and flying them all around the city randomly and presuming they have the right to do so.
But of course, such thing would never happen. (Except it just did.)
Exactly the same as 'scary thing' could..... But never happened.
Why does HN become crap whenever tech is the boogieman.
It's good to know dangers, but this bs upvoting nothing is pointless.
Sorry--too much Reddit.
Note that I'm not saying he can't have some emotional response, but public outrage is basically saying "this shouldn't ever happen and people should be afraid of this" which is stupid given shit happens when you are doing highly competitive and dangerous things as a performer - which includes the venue and staff filming it in new and interesting ways. The audience demands it, and you as an athlete and performer are part of it.
The older I get, the more the unnecessary spread of cognitive dissonance irritates me.
If the cameraman on the side of the track suddenly took his camera into the middle of the track, it would obviously be outrageous.
I can guarantee you that professional skiers are very careful about all the risks they undertake, and work hard to minimize those risks. It is very understandable this skier is angry to learn that a TV station just added a new way for him to die.