99% of Costa Rica's electricity came from renewable energy in 2015
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User /u/CatsandCrows:
> Yeah, it's great and it makes me happy that in this sense we are eco-friendly, however this comes a great costs. Our electricity rates are one of the highest in the region (central america) and a sht-load higher than the states, this costs summed to other issues scare industrial investment over here. Depending on your area you will have power failures anywhere from 0- 24 times a day, whenever there is a drought we have power shutdowns (as it ocurred some years ago when the country had to shut down residential electricity from 5pm-11pm, eventually "fixed" by adding another hydroelectric plant). It is never as simple as headlines makes it seem... just remember that.
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Also, intermittent power can be a function of transmission network quality, not just generation type.
Renewables don't do anything but help. Generating too much? Curtail your production until you can store it in a cost efficient manner. Generating too little? Add more capacity.
Yes, but hydro is the only renewable power source that is weather-independent. Wind, solar and tidal energy all fluctuate wildly during the day. In case there's no backup/storage (e.g. with pump-hydro systems, cheap-ish and effective, but a crime on nature!) you have to either import power from outside the country or resort to conventional power generation. Oh, and even hydro sucks for nature, because hydro plants interrupt natural pathways for fishes and like pump-hydro plants, there's a HUGE additional negative impact if you use a dam (in contrast to natural state, animals can't pass over the waterway, and as seen in China, important areas of biodiversity simply get flooded).
The lack of a truly environment-friendly energy storage is and will be keeping renewables from ever truly replacing fossil energy. Batteries need vast amounts of (rare) metals which have to be mined, refined and manufactured, molten-salt high power solar towers are a safety risk (as anything operating at three-digits-celsius temperature is)...
Droughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0R09YzyuCI
a) Complexity has killed off pretty much every major society prior to ours.
b) People's innate desire to problem solve increases complexity.
c) Cheap energy has enabled this process.
So there's an argument, an unlimited source of free energy would actually be a major problem because
1) It would enable more complexity, which is already pretty unmanagable.
2) You've still the problem of out of control resource usage.
Fortunately this is slowly changing. Different technologies are right in different situations, but the battery story in particular is undergoing rapid development.
For example flow batteries[1] usually don't require rare metals, are (fairly) cheap, reliable and are slowly becoming available.
One of the first uses is on cellular towers in South and Central America where the power grid isn't reliable.
Geothermal and biomass are also weather-independent, in addition to the long-term drought possibility that justinator mentioned.
However, just building two ponds in the middle of nowhere and pumping in water is another option.
Dams also have a life span, which is measured in decades (or less). Once the silt has built up, the dam doesn't really work in generating power any more.
Italy's hydroelectric plants have also been working since the '30s AFAIK, and they don't seem to be on the verge of a shutdown.
There are tens of thousands of dams in the US alone, and most if not all are not built to the proportions of the Hoover Dam. If you would like to use the Hoover Dam - one of the largest dams in the world, holding back one of the largest man made reservoirs in the world as my counterexample, be my guest.
My point wasn't that the dam will fail (although they do) - far from it: my point is that the dam, once put in, is really hard to take out and the dam itself holds back all the debris that usually flows out the river. That debris builds up, until - uh oh - you don't have enough water in your reservoir anymore to generate power.
That, and plugging up an entire watershed is pretty much akin to destroying the ecosystem that depends on the water flowing free to the ocean. Entire species of fish die off; the natural environment of other plants and animals is hopelessly changed, etc.
Some parts of the US only have 5% of rivers flow without a dam. Hydroelectricity is not sustainable now, and is far from inexhaustible.
So, back to the Hoover Dam - who's idea was it, to build a reservoir for water, in the middle of the desert? Did anyone think, "wonder if the water will all evaporate?" Because that's what's happening,
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-lake-mead-low-20150429-s...
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2666/how-long-are-d...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoover_Dam#Environmental_impac...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qou2KkLkYVg
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/25/opinion/too-many-dammed-ri...
Your own link, says "Nowadays, from what structural engineers tell me, the typical design life is more like 100 years".
In Swedish: http://www.entreprenad.com/kategorier/alla/rekorddamm-far-10...
"Although large concrete gravity dams have a theoretical design life of 80-100 years, the actual lifespan of a dam is determined by the rate at which its reservoir fills with sediment. In severely eroding catchments, millions of cubic metres of sediment can be transported annually. The average lifespan of a large dam in China is 45 years. " http://mightyclutha.blogspot.com/2010/02/decommissioning-rox...
"Many scientists predict that within two decades, rising demand for Colorado River water and falling supply will drop the surface of the reservoir to its lowest level, known as “dead pool.” Because the lowest exit from the dam (the river outlet works) is 237 feet above the original riverbed, at dead pool Lake Powell will still hold 2 million acre-feet of water, one-thirteenth of capacity. " https://orionmagazine.org/article/calamity-on-the-colorado/
And on, and on, and on. The takeaway is, the silt and sediment that collects on one side of the dam drastically shortens the usable lifespan of the dam, no matter how long the structure itself will be structurally be sound. That's a total engineering fall.
It looks like electricity costs around US$0.30/kWh in Costa Rica. In the United States, it's about US$0.13.
So, the electricity in Costa Rica costs 2.3 times as much, and the income is about 20% of that in the United States, meaning that electric bills are effectively over 10 times higher.
Would you be willing to pay an electric bill that was ten times what you pay now? Even if you would, I assure you that many others would not.
If $0.30/kWh is the real price of electricity after externalities have been added in, then so be it. Because the alternative is too awful to imagine.
Also you've forgotten to include in your calculations that Costa Ricans probably use a lot less electricity than Americans. Someone earning $6k.pa probably does not have AC, a huge refrigerator, etc.
Also, if population density everywhere was the same as in Bangladesh, having green energy wouldn't have helped. It is far more "green" for many countries to force a one child policy than it is to switch to green energy.
Which doesn't say anything against having green energy but about current sad state of society and humanity in general...
That's not a sad state of society and humanity, that's the state of finite physical system limits. Less people = less resources consumed.
No, they almost certainly don't. And they almost certainly suffer from the food-borne illness, heat stroke, and other health consequences associated with that fact (not even counting the general quality of life issues). Why do you think this is a good thing?
It's always amazing to me how people living a privileged Western lifestyle blithely condemn people in poor countries to a life of privation and misery, just so they can feel good.
Typically I find costa ricans using about 300 kwh per month per person, and on the first 300 kwh you pay about 12c per kwh or so. It's very similar to the US, really and much cheaper than the EU where the average sits above 20c.
And that says a lot. Yes, $1 spent by a CR is 'more expensive' than for a North American when looking at income levels. But that's not very relevant. The discussion is really about 'are these renewable energy sources good for Costa Rica?', someone like you says 'perhaps not so much because it's expensive'. But that's silly. Energy is necessary, if not renewable, then something else. So compare alternative energy sources for CR. And then you'll get a question 'is 12c per kwh that electricity in CR costs today under 99% renewables, much more expensive than a non-renewable alternative?'. And you'll find the answer is generally no. Decentralised diesel generators, or a bunch of coal firing plants will not be much cheaper at all, nor alleviate all outage problems. You'll also find that general all utilities are often more expensive in poorer countries, the cost of 1 kwh of electricity, x amounts of lumens to light up your room or 1 liter of clean water, is generally much cheaper in New York than in a small village in central africa.
In short, financially electricity in CR is relatively well organised. If you read through the reddit threat referenced you'll find people giving examples of how little they pay monthly, and if you compare the costs to neighbouring countries or countries at similar income levels worldwide (particularly pre-subsidies) or countries with very few renewables, CR actually does quite well.
As for outages, it depends. In big cities they occur almost never, like once every few months. (I lived in Montreal for comparison, it was once every few weeks). In rural areas it's more frequent, but then consider two things. One, 75% of Costa Rica is urban, and two, in significant rural areas in Central America you would be lucky to even be connected in the first place for any period of time, say in neighbouring Nicaragua. CR is the exception with nearly 100% electrification levels, compared to say 58% in Nicaragua, while outages outside big cities do happen, it's better than having no electricity at all. No CA country has CR's levels of electrification. Except of course Belize, a country of just 300k people (hardly a fair comparison) which generates about half of its electricity from fossil and surprise surprise, has more expensive electricity rates than CR as far as I can tell.
In short, the notion that CRs are paying much more because of renewables is bs, and the notion they're worse off than similar or neighbouring countries isn't true, either.
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Multiplying by 5 because incomes are 20% of US wages, doesn't make any sense to me. Do you think electricity costs should be linked to income, or something (I suppose it could work as a kind of taxation...)?
I was comparing the U.S. with Costa Rica.
The average U.S. home uses 901 kWH/month, which would put you in the 33 cents per kWH bracket (the source I found earlier said 30, which is pretty close).
The "peak" and "off-peak" pricing doesn't really enter into it, since most of the things you'd want to use a lot of electricity for (e.g., air conditioning) are time-dependent, and can't easily be shifted to "off-peak" times.
So, no, the numbers I was using aren't incorrect.
"Multiplying by 5 because incomes are 20% of US wages, doesn't make any sense to me."
I'm not sure why this doesn't make any sense. You spend x% of your income for electricity. Costa Ricans have to spend 5x% of their income to get the same amount of electricity. It seems perfectly straightforward to me.
In actuality, it's even worse than that, since someone in Costa Rica is going to have far less discretionary income to cover things like outrageous power bills.
I will freely admit that poor people in Costa Rica have less discretionary income than rich people in the USA.
We should just not do that.
He was just adding more information to the original article.
Awesome.
* The majority of this is from hydro.
* This scenario can't be replicated everywhere (due to the heavy reliance on hydro, but solar and wind can be used everywhere).
* The remainder of fossil fuel generation in Costa Rica could be replaced with more solar and wind generation.
* Utility scale battery storage will play a large part in increasing renewables firm dispatchability, while home batteries until their power distribution network reaches first world standards.
They use electric heating?
The cook with only electricity?
They don't have and Diesel engines, for large trucks, earth moving equipment, boats?
They also import food, that's grown elsewhere. So, that's another hidden cost. The only thing they produce in large quantities in country are rice, and beans.
http://news.co.cr/tourism-sector-in-costa-rica-poised-to-gro...
Wrong. E.g., one of the statements in the article is, and I saw and responded to, was:
> The country has recently made headlines by operating 100% on renewable energy for 285 days.
So it's the "country", presumably the whole "country", including electricity, cars, trucks, home heating, airplanes, etc.
And that statement said "energy" and not just "electricity".
Sure, in the article, the pictures I saw were for solar panels and wind turbines. I saw mention of their hydroelectric facility but no picture. So, tough not to guess: The article is propaganda for electric energy via wind and solar and, then, wants to jump to say "energy" for the whole "country".
I responded very calmly to the misleading propaganda.
It it crystal clear that this article is solidly in the center of the community of global warming and climate change alarmists. Okay, let's look at that subject. Surprisingly, we now have some quite good ways to do that.
We look in two parts, (1) the predictions of warming and (2) the real science.
(1) THE PREDICTIONS
So, the claims of human caused global warming claimed to be science and made some predictions. Good: The predictions were for a lot of global warming.
At
http://www.energyadvocate.com/gc1.jpg
is a comparison of actual temperatures and temperatures predicted from the global warming community. Immediately from the graph, the predictions are way too high.
Then, net, according to science, we regard the candidate science as failed, as junk.
Really, right there is the end of the global warming science. Done.
But, maybe that devastating refutation is too succinct. So, for more, below I include three chunks of evidence, (A) -- (C):
(A) A WSJ DISCUSSION AND GRAPH
There is a lot of expert overview discussion, at
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020430140457717...
with
"Commentary
No Need to Panic About Global Warming There's no compelling scientific argument for drastic action to 'decarbonize' the world's economy. January 27, 2012
Editor's Note: The following has been signed by the 16 scientists listed at the end of the article:"
See also the graph there that compares actual temperatures with measured temperatures.
(B) THE US NATIONAL ACADEMY OF SCIENCE REPORT
There is the report:
Committee on Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years, National Research Council, Surface Temperature Reconstructions for the Last 2,000 Years, ISBN 0-309-66264-8, 196 pages, National Academies Press, 2006,
available at
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/11676.html
From that report, if only from just the graph on page 2, as far as we can tell, the temperature in 2006 was exactly the same as in year 1000 well before any human industrialization.
(C) THE VOSTOK DATA USED BY AL GORE
In his movie, Al Gore showed a graph of data from the ice core samples from the Vostok station in the Antarctic. The graph covered several hundred thousand years and showed both temperature and CO2 concentrations rising and falling together. That graph was Gore's main evidence that more CO2 causes global warming.
But, just looking at the graph shows that the CO2 levels rose about 800 years after the temperature rose. So, clearly the higher CO2 levels did not cause the higher temperatures. The higher temperatures were caused by something but not CO2 levels. That situation was clear right in Gore's movie for anyone who just looked at it. Net, Gore's evidence was really solid evidence that CO2 did not cause global warming -- just read the graph.
SUMMARY OF PART (1)
For the science, pictures of arctic sea ice in the summer, polar bears, glaciers falling into the ocean, stories about the snows of Mount Kilimanjaro, other anecdotal evidence, etc. are just irrelevant and not at all convincing otherwise.
Instead, we need just a simple comparison of real temperatures and predicted ones. Since the predictions of the candidate science were badly wrong, we reject the candidate science. In science, it really is just that simple.
(2) THE REAL SCIENCE
But we do have some real science that explains temperatures quite accurately back at least for some hundreds of thousands of years.
Here in just a few lines I take the entire, global, IPCC, Al Gore, Kyoto, Paris, etc., EPA, NOAA, Obama, carbon footprint movement and totally destroy it. It's, to use a word, "settled".
Sure, can strike a match and, thus, warm the planet, but that warming is not significant.
For anything significant, for anything reasonable, CO2 and methane have nothing to do with the climate. Even a factor of 10 times the present concentration of CO2 will do essentially nothing to the climate. Same for CFC's. Same for men not shaving and drinking Coke instead of Pepsi.
Yes, CO2 and methane have to be counted as greenhouse gasses, but their effects are just insignificant for earth in the past, the present, and any reasonable future, no matter what is going on on Venus (has a lot of CO2 and is really hot).
And, so far human activity has had nothing to do with the climate.
Instead, here is what the heck has been driving climate change so far, back at least for some hundreds of thousands of years and right to the present as in year 2015:
More clouds have a cooling effect. The rate of cloud formation varies with the rate of water droplet formation, which varies with the rate of cosmic rays (a significant cause of water droplet formation) hitting the atmosphere which varies with the amount of solar wind blocking the cosmic rays which varies with the rate of sun spots which varies with the activity level of the sun which has absolutely nothing at all to do with anything on earth, not CO2, not methane, not humans or human activity.
Reference:
A very nicely done BBC video:
"The Great Global Warming Swindle"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52Mx0_8YEtg
As in the BBC piece, in the last 100 years, temperature has varied with the solar wind and not with CO2.
Net the climate science arguing about the effects of CO2 on the climate no longer has even a square nanometer to stand on. That candidate science is done, "settled", forget about it.
Here, for asking a very appropriate question challenging some outrageous propaganda, I've been attacked and am due sincere, public apologies.