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Cool read, however, I feel the need to point out that 20 years ago, javascript in the server wasn't "too soon", it already existed.

In 1995 Netscape had the Netscape Enterprise Server[0] that ran javascript for server-side scripting. Actually, the two books I used, back in the day, to learn Javascript was the client- and the server-side javascript guides published by Netscape.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netscape_Enterprise_Server

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> javascript in the server wasn't "too soon", it already existed

Those two things aren't necessarily in conflict. Netscape's server wasn't exactly a roaring success. What really made Javascript-in-the-server work was a Javascript JIT engine (v8) that actually made Javascript very competitive compared to traditional server side scripting languages. So given that there did not exist a Javascript JIT engine back then, maybe it was too soon.

Agree that was probably too soon, even if it existed in some form. I've often wondered why precisely people love JavaScript on the server. I would guess it's a mix of 1) event machine parallelism, 2) isomorphism, 3) speed (since V8/SpiderMonkey/Chakra), 4) cross-compatibility, and 5) engineers not needing to learn another language.

I've always assumed it's heavily weighted towards 5 - never underestimate the ability of a coder to avoid effort!

Also, the npm ecosystem.

The early js-on-the-server systems had miserable ecosystems.

SpiderMonkey was around way before v8, and once it begat TraceMonkey, it had JIT. Bloomberg used this pervasively on their billion-dollar product for years before v8 was a thing--you can read that from one horse's mouth here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3984617

That's quite interesting. I only mentioned v8 for the fairly obvious reason that it formed the core of the first really popular server side JS implementation, which I don't really need to name.

Not long after (now) classic ASP was introduced with JScript as an option. I wrote a lot of it back then, and used JS about as much as VBScript, because I could reuse a lot of my libraries on both sides (validation in particular).

Am I the only one who remembers LiveWire? It didn't last long, but it was Javascript on the server.

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