The Divorce Colony
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Even today, divorce is usually fraught with emotional turmoil. Months and years can be dedicated to equitable financial separation, child custody, living arrangements, etc, etc, etc. The toll it takes on a family is often irrevocable.
Then of course there's all the discrimination throughout history, starting with women but then of course moving to polygamy, miscegenation and gay marriage.
All of it makes me think that marriage laws themselves are a huge mistake. Couples who want to make their relationship legally binding should have to draft a civil contract that defines their relationship - stating clearly what's expected of both parties and how the relationship is fairly dissolved.
Basically, what we tend to call a pre-nuptial agreement should simply lose the "pre".
For all the amazing advancements humans have made - it is sad that we can't make the absolute necessities of life easy and smooth. We have weird laws, we impose our opinions/ideas on others for no reason instead of letting them be - we are really a weird species.
Another example - filing taxes. Why should it be so confusing? Who does it serve other than the middlemen who "help" you file taxes?
Turns out those middlemen are the ones heavily lobbying against any simplification for tax filing.
It's not a coincidence that people who are opposed to one of those enablers of female freedom I've listed are more likely to be opposed to others.
Traditional marriage is a contract that defines the relationship - that's what the vows are - but it differs from other contracts in that it's also at least partly for the benefit of children who are not born at the time it is contracted.
Unfortunately this only apply if you intend to have a traditional marriage, heterosexual, a couple, and no intention to brake it. Marriage was invented by religious people back when they were the custodians of the laws. Because of this a lot of people are very strongly attached to that notion. Secular societies should invent a new word, and new contracts more suited for modern society.
I would love to hear more about how this is done. I don't immediately see how it would be.
Challenge wills in court to get a bigger portion.
I exaggerated by saying "making a living" (not enough money around) but very annoying at a time you normally focus on grieving, and definitely something I don't want my spouse and kids to have to go through.
I'll counter with a different question: what kind of society would destroy families on the slightest pretext, or without any pretext at all? And why is 'maintaining [one's] own love life' worth destroying a family?
> The toll it takes on a family is often irrevocable.
Which is why it used to be so rare: because folks realised how terrible divorce really is.
The only good thing I can see about no-fault divorce is that it's reduced the number of spousal murders.
I agree with you that the marriage laws no longer make any sort of rational sense, and that civil marriage should be a civil contract, although from a different angle: the sacrament which united my parents together has absolutely no resemblance to the legal fiction abused by, say, Kim Kardashian.
> stating clearly what's expected of both parties and how the relationship is fairly dissolved
Seems to me that 'til death do us part' is a pretty big item in most marriage ceremonies…
I'm very glad my (unmarried) parents could separate themselves when time came and remain friends throughout my childhood, instead of developing the bitter contempt that is so common among divorced parents.
Which is why it used to be so rare: because folks realised how terrible divorce really is.
And people stopped realizing because? Unless you have a good reason beyond "people were just more sensible in the good old days", I find your argument unpersuasive.
What was more terrible were the conditions for divorced women, who struggled to earn any kind of decent income. State laws granting sole control of marital property to the husband were only struck down by the SCOTUS in 1981.
If people can be friends, why can they not remain together?
> And people stopped realizing because?
Because folks got more selfish, preferring to satisfy themselves than to work hard for others.
I honestly don't know how to respond to this. Do you really not see the difference between being friends and living as a family?
Because folks got more selfish, preferring to satisfy themselves than to work hard for others.
Sorry, I left my rose-colored glasses in the other room.
The kind that likes to pretend that family stability isn't itself a good thing. It's tragic when families are torn or broken apart, but minimizing the consequences doesn't make the effects go away.
Across all demographics, children do better when they live in stable homes with two parents. The data backs this up 100%.
We can talk philosphically about whether the costs are worth it to achieve various goals (equality, freedom, etc.) but it's irrational to act like there are no downsides to avoiding or leaving marriage. The data even indicates that it's a net negative, on average. Maybe not for the people who hang out on HN, but certainly for poorer people with fewer opportunities.
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/09/marriage-am...
Ironically, women and children (especially boys) seem to be the hardest hit, at least statistically. This is distressing since they were supposed to be the reason we started rethinking family structure in the first place.
Regardless, the census statistics are for all single households versus all married households. The never-married are also included in the statistics, so trapped-in-a-relationship certainly doesn't always apply.
Here's an LA Times column breaking down a few more studies:
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-1027-goldberg-fam...
A simple civil contract is not good enough for several reasons. First, people tend to make bad decisions when they are in love, and especially in situations where one party has fallen in love harder than the other, this would be very open to abuse.
The second problem is that marriages often produce children. And children are not property in the traditional sense, and I think it is not in any way reasonable to handle child custody with a pre-nuptial agreement.
The third problem is much more subtle and subjective, and I'm afraid I will have to do a bit of editorializing, but I think it is still quite important. The economy works well when everyone chiefly looks out for themselves, families and friendships work well when everyone chiefly looks after each other. Your mother didn't hand you a rental agreement the moment you were born, and while you may have had certain ad-hoc "I'll give you $20 if you mow the lawn" agreements with them, their desire for your well-being was based on much more than any potential value you might bring them in the future. A marriage is a lot more like a family than it is like an economy.
Ultimately we still lack a sound alternative for describing and enforcing the obligations that surround care for children. People have children in ways that are sometimes impulsive; and they are inclined to abandon them and their spouse in the same way. Marriage is a countervailing force, since it attaches penalties to abandoning the family and also makes it hard to start a new one without some resolution with the old one -- so people's energies are less easily redirected.
"But the case was in Judge Aiken’s hands alone. If he found that she had proven the baron’s cruelty, Maggie would be granted a divorce. If he found that she had not, the baron and the baroness would remain married."