A Century of Migration in the US
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Couple of take aways:
> "The United States has experienced much higher immigration rates than at present alongside much larger foreign-born populations, and we not only survived, but thrived."
BUT
> "...if we returned to our noble American tradition of openness like in the 1850s and welcome in 8 million immigrants a year (same rate as 1850 as % of population), the truth is, large swathes of the United States actually would be “speaking Arabic” (or Chinese or Indian languages). Just like large groups in the US in 1850 were speaking German and Gaelic. This isn’t speculative fear-mongering, this is just a sober reading of the data."
Impossible to prove without doing it, but valid point that should be considered.
Immigrants speaking arabic don't share this characteristics. For better or worse, they come from a different culture, different religion, with different ways of living and values.
Some people simplify these facts to cry gibberish about "brown-skinned terrorists". These people, of course, are racist idiots. But the fact that some idiots blow the facts out of proportion and create an idiotic hysteria out of it doesn't mean that we should ignore the underlying truth. "Different culture" doesn't necessary mean bad things; there's a lot of beautiful things that western civilization has to learn from muslim culture. But some aspects of this culture are alarming, to say the least.
I thought most immigrants are Spanish-speaking - and they do have a lot in common with the current US. Indeed, in many places (e.g. California) Spanish names of towns and streets still predominate.
I think the Muslim concern may be more relevant in Europe, which has closer proximity to the Mid-East and has little experience with integrating diverse immigrant communities.
This is the line in grandparent comment I was referring to. I think it would be same to assume that Chinese and Indian culture — the actual culture, not westernized and modernized "buddhism" and curry — is just as distant from Western culture as Muslim culture.
A few notes:
Muslims make up somewhere between 4% and 12% of all legal immigrants. When you include illegal inflows, falls to between 2% and 9%. I derive these estimates based on country-of-origin data for legal permanent residents, so there's a wide error band, as we don't know exactly how many from a given country are actually of a specific religion.
I'd also note that I focused on Arabic due to current controversies--- but Chinese or Indian languages are of course way more important. These groups are a large and growing share of immigrants. Just didn't seem germane to focus on them.
Regarding German and Gaelic groups today, yes, there are some, but people routinely speaking non-English, European languages other than Spanish are probably a smaller share than in the past wave of immigrants. Don't know for sure though.
Regarding integration: no, Germans and Irish were NOT easier to integrate. That's nonsense. Intra-European animosity was intense and real, far more intense than what modern Americans feel towards Muslims. Suspicion of Catholics puts current suspicion of Islam to shame. The idea that Europeans were easier to integrate is, in my opinion, a hindsight bias.
Its true that there are lots of Spanish speaking immigrants, and its true that more generous quotas would likely increase that more than anything else, but that's not all that closely connected to California city and street names.
Of course, I don't think anyone other than anarchists IS calling for returning to 1850s levels immigration.
Millions of people moved to the midwest for automotive jobs. What new industry is going to cause that many people to re-locate these days? I think it wouldn't only happen if something like a drought causing people to move out of the southwest or sever flooding a la Katrina.
Yes.
> It seems to me like it would be climate-based instead of for work as it was in the past.
There may be some point in the future where geography is irrelevant to economic prospects, but that's quite some way off still.
> What new industry is going to cause that many people to re-locate these days?
Even without new regionally concentrated industries (which may still occur and draw people in, but are hard to predict), the collapse of existing regionally-dominant industries will cause people to move for economic reasons -- maybe not all to the same place, but out from places experiencing that kind of collapse to places that aren't.