Show HN: Don't Name the Shooter
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If we don't know the person's name, or the context of the person it makes us objectify the person, and as much as we would like to do so... it actually doesn't help us strengthen the collective wisdom of society to prevent this from happening again.
Say the person's name.
Get to know his family.
Get to know the years before they became radicalized.
Understand why they believed this was right as perverse as their rationale is. This is the only potent defense we have against terrorists and their ilk: Grow your mindfulness about the human condition.
should we also whitewash all of history's tragedies?
These events aren't exceedingly rare. Quite the opposite. In fact, the San Bernadino shooting wasn't even the only mass shooting in the US on December 3rd. IIRC, there has been one mass shooting, on average, every day since the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012.
More info: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/03/458321777/...
Car accident fatalities per year according to this article[1]: 30000 (500+ per week) .
Low end estimates of flu deaths per season [2]: 3000
These latter two are not anything you would worry about significantly (they are not particularly likely to kill you). Why should I care about being killed in a mass shooting?
[1] http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/general-statistics/fatalit...
[2] http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.h...
I think you have it totally backwards. If anything, it's "sexy" for news agencies to barf out everything they can know or speculate about the person. It lets them grab eyeballs, ratings, and fill airtime and pages.
In contrast, removing the "notoriety payoff" is the sober, serious, and "wise" approach for society. There's a huge correlation between media-obsession after a shooting-tragedy and another attack occurring soon afterwards. [0]
> We need to delve
No, "we", the media-consuming audience, emphatically do NOT need to do any delving. 99.9% of us will never have expertise, and even if we did would be unable to act upon it.
The people who do (sociologists, psychologists, etc.) are going to be able to get at the data anyway, they don't need to get their primary research from the 24-hour flashing-klaxon news-blast.
"Terrorism" is a rich field, and we shouldn't shy from its macabre quality. We have the right to overturn rocks, look underneath, and make our own determinations for what's actually happening.
What makes you say that? I literally just described their output with the word "barf". Granted, human vomit is definitely food on its way to being chemically simplified, but I don't think that's the connotation you had in mind.
> I believe in the people fortifying and defending themselves with competence.
Competence is good, but it does NOT come from a breathless 24/7 media obsession over a big scary "SHOOTERMAGEDDON" animated title and constant loops of gruesome footage, nor from the interspersed speculation over "hints" in facebook and twitter feeds.
In fact, forget the advertising, novelty-appeal, or emotional-appeal, it does something evne worse: It instills a FALSE sense of competence in the viewers. (Seriously, there are studies, look 'em up.)
> 99.9% of us will never have expertise
1. Of the entire audience being catered-to, almost none of them will have the inclination/money/time to become meaningful experts in violent mass-shootings.
2. The kind of information crafted by the mass-media is too low-quality to assist anybody towards that goal anyway.
3. People who are interested or competent in the field will instead acquire their data through entirely different mechanisms anyway.
4. The mass-media coverage is actually counter-productive to the goal of competence. In the search for filler, it is increasingly likely to host terrible "experts" or to portray news-anchors as experts. Among viewers, it creates "armchair experts" after 5 minutes, instilling them with a false sense of competence.
5. Finally, the popular style of mass-media coverage harms society in general, through encouraging additional unstable individuals to act.
Being informed is almost always better.
The point is that media is making mass killers into celebrities and that encourages more sick (read depressed, lonely) people to perform acts like this.
Problem is, the family could get in trouble, even if you are just a remote relative who had virtually no connection with the shooter for years.
And for parents of murderers, it's not unheard of to get personal threats.
And I'm not sure about families of killers getting death threats. In America, we have a pretty solid understanding of individuals, and individual's actions. Society generally just wants to move beyond the incident and somehow better ourselves. I'm not sure where you're getting that idea.
The murderer's names are Syed Rizwan Farook and his wife Tashfeen Malik
Holding families accountable for treason worked pretty well in feudal cultures. Same here. Put the onus of responsibility for prevention of tragedy on the family. Failure to report / take adequate measures is negligence.
Also I think you are making the mistake most engineers make about the mentally unwell: that they can be "fixed" if only they were "diagnosed" early enough.
Very little evidence this is the case. You can medicate someone to the point they don't care anymore but you can't really fix bugs in their programming.
True, some people shall/will not be "fixed" but that doesn't negate our duty to understand.
But also I do not feel inclined or obligated to afford a terrorist a courtesy of understanding their motivation or point of view or grow my mindfulness. Murder is evil, terrorists are evil - is there more to understand in anyway other than purely academic?
One is naive to believe understanding the human condition of a murderer by getting to know their family or understanding them pre-radicalized will bring change or make an impact or stop the next one. No offense but in my opinion this is philosophical gibberish.
"If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles."
Your point a agree with on a big picture level, the war fighters and analysts and policy makers need to understand capabilities and motivation of the enemy. I'm not a war fighter and I don't believe it makes any sense for me or other Joe Average Citizen to empathize or understand a psychopathic foreign enemy. Understanding in this case won't get you far.
1) Multiple mass shooting perpetrators have cited publicity as a motive, and continue to express interest in things like media engagement and how many people they killed. The Port Arthur massacre springs to mind as a prime example.
2) The "hows" are pretty goddamn obvious. Guns and ready access to them are how! Port Arthur is another excellent highlight of why this is the case - John Howard's government instituted sweeping gun control measures after the incident. Australia had nearly a dozen shootings in the decade leading up to Port Arthur. Since the ban on automatic rifles and semiautomatic rifles/shotguns was put into place, only twelve people in total have been the victims of shootings since. Just that ban was enough to drop the aggregate number deaths due to gun crimes by an order of magnitude!
If a child says, "I want cake!" and you say, "No cake for you!" We're letting them determine the agenda.
Rather, we should do what makes us smarter. Knowing them makes us smarter.
As for the "how," it's not always about the tools they use (guns).
Ah, but it IS about the tools they use. That was my whole point regarding Australia's ban on automatic and semiautomatic rifles following Port Arthur. The ban on these types of weapons has correlated to a dramatic decline in mass shootings, because ready access to those types of weapons allows you to shoot lots of people at a high rate of speed. The after incident report of the Port Arthur shooting showed that the perpetrator killed almost a dozen people - a third of the death toll of the entire incident - within the first thirty seconds of the attack. Why? Because the shooter had a very accurate, high-rate-of-fire weapon carrying thirty or more rounds in a highly enclosed space. (Most of the people he shot were less than fifteen feet away.)
Now, would the incident have had the same death toll if the perp only had access to, say, a handgun? Possibly, but I doubt it. I know from my own experience with firearms that a rifle is substantially more accurate and holds way more ammo.
Australia's ban and reaction to this incident makes perfect sense to me, and two decades of empirical evidence seem to suggest their policy choice was absolutely the right one.
Supposedly, these people were connected to those that the FBI were already investigating for terrorism threat, and if so, then there is even more cause for their names to be known, because we need to be able to non-ignorantly to discuss specific successes and failures of the FBI. That, and striking things from public discourse is very dangerous.
I think the same effect could work for mass shootings, If all the media organizations refused to broadcast any info about mass shootings it would probably reduce the number of incidents. Unfortunately it seems unlikely that the news industry as a whole would collaborate and agree to censor themselves in this way, especially since there is a legitimate public danger while the incident is ongoing. Government is prohibited by the constitution from getting involved in media censorship so it would have to be done by the media companies themselves. And of course nowadays we have social media so it's even harder to enforce any kind of censorship.
After the last few news cycles around mass shootings, I started wondering what someone in tech could do to help, even just a little, as most of the solutions being suggested were on the policy side. It's tough to feel helpless.
Many organizations (including the National Issues Forums [1]) mentioned reducing the mention of shootings in the media to lower the notoriety of gunmen. Figured this could be a fairly simple way to help that cause.
[1] https://www.nifi.org/sites/default/files/product-downloads/m...
I also believe that the media has the onus to report things correctly, in full. As a national or international spectator, it may not be important whom commits these crimes. I was recently living in Seattle when a shooting happened at Seattle Pacific University. My girlfriend at the time was on campus when the shooting started and the media frenzy was actually beneficial for the community.
It's not just murders. Australian media will often not report suicides to prevent triggering copycats.
The potential mass murders have no way to know that you won't see their name. This would have to become a viral phenomenon and be reported on extensively to even possibly have any effect beyond making you feel better. I severely doubt this plugin could ever have a material effect on the number of people who read the names.
This also does nothing to punish those news organizations that do publish names and faces for mass murderers and since the people who care about this won't know who does and doesn't, it actually reduces the incentive for news organization to not publish names for faces.
Want to make a plugin that has an effect? Make a plugin that blacklists any news site that publishes names/faces so that when you try to read ANY article from those sites, the plugin instead finds similar articles from non-blacklisted publishers and displays links to those instead.
With that said, I too believe there's a certain level of infamy that comes with having your name spread across the nation. I'm sure there's a certain level of motivation that this gives to potential shooters, and if we can prevent that then I believe it's the right thing to do. Is it effective to block yourself? Probably not, but just the same I'd like to be able to say that I'm doing my part, however small it may be.
EDIT: Updating to replace gunmen names with something more neutral / accessible. Japhyr and others make great points on the issue.
EDIT 2: Updated.
This was an interesting incident to introduce this around, because this is a rare female shooter. You probably picked that term without thinking about gender. But now you've got a derogatory name that refers to female anatomy, being applied to a female shooter in the screenshot I saw.
The word "douche" comes off as non sequitur. I don't think it's appropriate to use it when talking about murder right after it's happened. Sure, at some point that's fine, but this is really a "too soon" moment in my opinion.
Just my opinion, though. And the great part is, we can have it both ways. (It would be even easier if it were possible to customize the name from the extension settings. Then we wouldn't be bikeshedding right now, right? :)
agreed.
It's similar to if "corset" or "foot binding" were used as a negative slang for something.
Right now, it's embedded in a .js file as a variable here (OS X + Chrome):
~'/Library/Application Support/Google/Chrome/Default/Extensions/ldipcbiihbfjonainibmoiggbolhgodo/0.4_0/content.js'
And like the fact that we want to only discuss, in a vacuum, whether revealing the names of murderers might cause more murder, and if the answer is yes, then that's good enough for us. How much more murder are we talking about for the price of censoring all media? Should anonymous volunteers go on Wikipedia to erase names of murderers?