Turbochargers Will Keep Getting Better
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Are these really standard fare in the US? In Europe the norm is more like 1.0-1.6 liter turbo engines in new cars.
The Ford Focus and Ford Fiesta are the smallest cars that Ford sells in the US, and they are available with the 1.0 and 1.6 liter turbo engines.
Ford's mid-size car and crossover Ecoboost engines are the 1.5, 1.6, and 2.0 liter turbo engines.
The Ford Fusion sedan isn't a small vehicle, however. It's curb weight is 3,431 to 3,681 lbs.
The Ford Taurus full-size sedan is available with the 2.0 and 3.5 liter turbo engines, it's curb weight is 3,917 to 4,327 lbs.
The 2.3, 2.7 and 3.5 liter turbo engines are found in Ford's full size SUVs like the Explorer and Expedition, and full size 1/2 ton trucks like the F150.
That said, many times, for the same car, the US version doesn't even offer the small engine options that the same car has in Europe. For instance, the new Mazda MX-5 has a 1.5L and a 2L versions in Europe, but in the US, Mazda only brings the two liter option, because they'd not expect the smaller engine to sell very well. Something similar happens with the Ford Focus, that in Europe goes from 1 to 2 liters, while in the US there's only a two liter version, and the question is whether you just want a naturally aspirated one, or you want a turbocharged version with more power.
So in practice, there's a bit of having only the big engines for the same cars, but the biggest difference is that in the US, people find it just dandy to buy an SUV or a pickup truck to use as a regular commuter car, while in Europe gas prices and the difficulty of parking something that big in an urban setting leads to people driving far smaller cars.
For standard passenger cars, the norm is closer to 2 liters. European cars are considered "economy" cars and have much smaller engines because they weigh less.
Many Americans spend far more time in their cars than Europeans, and we generally have more space to park them, so we prefer bigger cars. Not nearly as big as they used to be, but still bigger than the rest of the world. Bigger cars need bigger engines, and we do lots of highway driving so performance is important too.
I have no data, just my anemic Cruze :-) (seriously, the turbo lag is terrible)
0-60 mph in around 10 seconds is fine for nearly all scenarios.
So, you can skew the stats however you want depending on how you want to look at it. Overall cars are actually the lesser-selling segment in the US.
1. http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html#...
As to the relevance of turbos in the future, they increase peak power more than anything else, so I would expect them to continue to be useful in parallel hybrid configurations (if it enables a smaller ICE, it's probably a win).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_turbocharger http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1094807_volvo-reveals-450...
Next steps would be adapting the regenerative braking technology, like that on the Porsche 918, into regular vehicles. There's a lot of kinetic energy wasted in brakes and we're soon going to be able to recapture it.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle#Efficiency_of_rea...
1) The brakes slow the car down through a combination of electric generation and traditional brake pads, just like the hybrids you're familiar with. Unlike the Prius, the brakes escalate in a predictable a familiar fashion. Most regenerative braking systems do not scrub speed from the car in the same linear fashion as the 918. This is a major accomplishment because it makes the transition from regular brakes to regenerative brakes seamless and allows for spirited driving.
2) The batteries are not designed to store a substantial amount of charge, instead they are designed to provide a large chunk of the acceleration power that would normally come from a gasoline engine in a hybrid. Instead of designing the car to utilize batteries for long-ranges, Porsche designed the car to utilize batteries for sprints.
3) The net result is a car that is as spirited as a traditional sports car but with greatly increased efficiency. People that wont buy a Prius or BMW Hybrid right now because of the ride quality issues would be willing to purchase a car with the 918 style system.
The school of thought behind the Prius to squeeze every drop of efficiency out of the electric side, the school of thought behind the 918 is to support spirited driving with the electric side. Both lead to increases in efficiency but only the latter is something people that consider themselves 'drivers' would buy.
You can see this with Turbochargers as they are just now starting to trickle onto sport vehicles such as the BMW M4 and Ferrari has acknowledged that they will be pursuing the technology in their road cars in the near future.
Virtually all hybrids already do that…
I drive an M3, I'm not going to give up fast vehicles until self-driving cars are mandatory. Regenerative braking (with a small battery pack) could double the fuel efficiency I obtain. The existing regenerative braking systems available are horrible (in a number of ways) and not comparable to what's in existence for F1 and the 918.
Regenerative braking for most cars now is where turbochargers were pre-1990s. The system I'm talking about can run only a few miles in full electric but gives a substantial boost in fuel economy because it's utilized for most acceleration below ~100 MPH.
Sure they increase peak HP, but they also increase exhaust backpressure.
Seems like the main achievement of turbos is cheaper/smaller engines.
some have suggested regenerative braking as if this isn't on many cars, but it has been in use but it does not necessarily have to be with large battery packs to make a difference. When combined with auto start/stop it can keep a slightly larger battery charged enough to extend engine off time.
If you make 300hp, it's going to take around the same amount of gasoline to do so whether you do it with a 5 liter V8 or a 2 liter turbocharged 4 cylinder.
Sure, the smaller engine is going to get better gas mileage when idling and such, and it's amazing how efficient the larger engines are these days. But in a heavy vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick, the EcoBoost engines aren't seeing much better gas mileage numbers than the GM V8's.
Often people with already basic knowledge of thermodynamics can spot the large inefficiency sources in many of the currently common processes. This stuff has been known since the 1800s.
It's just that the implementation has been too expensive (payoff is too slow), or politically inconvenient (the technology is in another department/company). There might be some reliability or emissions or noise issues etc...
The world is full of massive technical inefficiencies and thus, great business opportunities.
You can look at the car as an industrial process as well. Intercoolers, capacitor energy recovery, heat pumps for heating (and not just for air conditioning). Most of the mechanical technology is 100+ years old. The turbocharger was patented in 1905. With batteries and capacitors and control electronics there's some fairly new stuff.
You could for example skip the piston engine and instead have just a turbine and then a bottoming engine with CO2 cycle recovering the waste heat. Ships run with turbocharged diesel engines, but GE is championing precisely this turbine + bottoming for them. So why not cars? There are some big operational differences of course (heating the working fluid in an external combustion engine takes a while). But there could be some big benefits too, like if you don't have reciprocating machinery at all, the noise is different and there's no vibration.
EVs will dominate new car sales within 10-15 years. And that's the more pessimistic view.
Full EVs are a drop in the bucket right now. The Model 3 isn't even released, probably won't be widely available for another couple years, will likely cost around $50K comparably equipped, and even then Tesla likely couldn't make enough to make a dent in the overall market.
The Leaf is a great car (IMO), but even in a major metro (DFW) spot-charging is really impractical. There are NO DC quick-chargers in North or North East Dallas last I looked, and you at minimum have to have a subscription just to have the option to pay to use them. There's a reasonable number of Blink Network chargers around, but no one who's actually used those would suggest they're a viable way to maintain a charge without major compromises. Using a Leaf to commute to the suburbs is an experience fraught with stress as well.
Maybe in a couple years the Leaf will have kicked the range-anxiety issue to the curb. And the Chevy Beat looks very promising. 2 cars in the range of the average new car purchase price does not make for domination though.
My prediction is that it's realistically going to be at least 3 car generations before that has a chance of happening, and most manufacturers haven't even released a full EV yet. That's a good 15 to 20 years as a best case scenario. That doesn't address the Truck and family SUV market either. These things are made for hauling. They're going to suck down a lot more power. "Work Trucks" aren't going to convert for much longer Though I think there's a good chance many will go hybrid in ~10 years. There's got to be a ton of utility in a series-hybrid truck for towing, site power, etc.
Just my 2c. I've actually owned a Leaf. I think EVs are great. A lot more so than people even realize. Instant torque and acceleration response makes them really fun to drive. That doesn't mean I think they'll somehow become dominant in the same timespan that it took Nissan to come out with a massively compromised diesel truck nobody is going to buy. That's beyond optimistic IMO.
[NB I have had cars with much bigger engines in the past (e.g. 4.4 BMW) and I honestly don't miss them].
Most of the time it feels alright, about on par with a 1.6 16v engine but sometimes I miss the power of my old RenaultSport Clio.
So no worries about speeding tickets, use much less fuel, I find driving less stressful and it turns out that it doesn't seem to make a huge difference to how long it takes to get anywhere.
Edit: I find it amusing that when I look into the engine bay of our Yeti that I can actually see the road in the gap behind the engine - probably makes it much easier to service!
Looks like you could change it in seconds.