The Cannons on the B-29 Bomber
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rangekeeper has a decent summary of the development of this tech.
All the devices shown suffer power losses between input and output, some of them severe. A torque amplifier has two shafts that are 1:1 geared for speed but the output shaft has extra power taken from a third supply shaft, like the supply to a logic gate that lets it drive more output power than it draws from its inputs.
Analog computers were basically voodoo to me before this. Looking forward to watching the rest!
https://np.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3ixrvq/did_th...
One of the (many) really cool things on the ship was that you can climb into the 14" gun turret and play with an actual mechanical computer for computing range & elevation.
But yeah, that scene is mostly artistic license.
Of course this is all my own rationalization: it's not like Lucas thought all the intricacies of the Star Wars universe through for their technical accuracy. This is more like literary interpretation, only instead of showing "The Old Man and the Sea" is a metaphor for the tragedy of human existence, we figure out how space ships work!
1: http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/star-wa...
Or something. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So yes, I'm pretty sure the Millenium Falcon was heavily upgraded.
For the most part, defensive guns on bombers weren't all that useful; even with a fire-control computer aiding you, it's very hard to hit a (possibly maneuvering) moving plane from another moving plane. It would probably have been better to omit those heavy guns and turrets and to leave those gunners on the ground to save weight, lives, and resources.
There were some WWII 'gunship' style modifications of planes, but that was not that common.
For a more modern comparison, consider that the Bradley fighting vehicle carries anti tank missiles. Sending a group of Bradleys directly against tanks would be suicidal. The Bradley has aluminum for armor. A well trained set of tank crews operating even WWII vintage vehicles would decimate them. Instead, the misiles are there to deter tanks from engaging them. It also provides the crew with an enormous psychological benefit. That benefit is they at least have the benefit of being able to respond to an enemy tank with a potentially lethal weapons system. Ironically of course the TOW missiles on the Bradley destroyed more Iraqi tanks the M1 tank ever did in the Gulf war. But that is because Iraqi tank crews either had no experience or had armored vehicles in horrible condition.
If that didn't work for the 109s, they'd do a head on attack. A head on attack made it very hard for the B17s to hit them, and the closing speed was so fast it would carry the 109s out of range quickly after the attack.
My father said that unlike the buffoonish German pilots portrayed in WW2 movies, the real ones were careful, professional, and deadly. You never wanted to let your guard down around them.
Never really meant? Some citations there would be nice.
US day bombers that were not protected by fighters often suffered heavy losses against the Luftwaffe. Which is why unescorted daylight bombing was suspended following the 25% casualty raid on Schweinfurt.
>They switched to shooting mostly tracer rounds. ..right. What I've read is that many units stopped using tracers altogether on pure fighters because their different ballistics at long range meant that they were not useful. The gas created when the base of the tracer burned diminished drag. (this has later been adopted for howitzer ammo, base bleed increases range by up to 30%)
You mean stopped using tracers against fighter aircraft, or stopped carrying them on fighters? The parent seems to be talking about ground AA gun crews using tracers -- presumably a lot of these would be firing at bombers?
Stopped putting tracers into fighter craft ammunition belts or magazines.
> The parent seems to be talking about ground AA gun crews using tracers -- presumably a lot of these would be firing at bombers?
I'm not aware of tracer ammo even existing for the big flak guns. This material implies there wasn't any.
http://www.lonesentry.com/manuals/88mm-antiaircraft-gun/ammu...
One of the most interesting cold war AFVs was an M113 chassis with a cherry picker and 15 TOW missiles on it. Armor is nice, but a hill is even nicer.
The problem is that the US army is still equipping itself superbly to fight the Eastern Bloc in 1985.
Is this what you're talking about? http://russian-tanks.com/the-m901-armored-missile-vehicle.ph...
Interesting, never heard of that one! Any links by any chance? I would be curious to look at pictures :) (Edit: looks like another reply has a link!)
And IMO it makes perfect sense for the first priority to be always prepared for the toughest opponent: a TOW missile will destroy a pickup truck just fine, but it also forces the opponent to be much more careful with their tanks.
I have a relative who was in the mechanized infantry back in the early 1990s. From what he was able to share with me, the Bradley was an interesting vehicle with a lot of cool stuff but if my life was on the line, I'd prefer to be in an M1 Abrams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkava#Specifications_of_mode...
That is exactly what Freeman Dyson said of the Lancaster bomber.
Tho' no sooner had the belly turret been removed than the Luftwaffe invented upward-firing guns, they would slip into position directly under, matching speed and heading, then just let rip.
That term is also interesting as they considered jazz music to be 'queer'.
Ultimately though it was fuel that mattered. When the USA joined the war half way through it meant that Allied planes were on 100 octane petrol, meanwhile the Germans were using some glorified coal slurry and the Japanese were using some tree bark extract made by school kids.
Yep. The Mosquito was the safest (for the crew) bomber of the war, hugely more accurate and effective than the heavies. But heavies were the dogma of the politically influential in the air forces of Britain and the US, so much as battleships kept being considered the key asset long after they were actually irrelevant, thousands of young men were strapped into pointless flying coffins.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheintochter
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_German_guided_weapons_...
I've read a couple memoirs of WWII pilots, interesting stuff. I'm pretty sure they're all dead now, whats documented out there is all we'll ever have.
As for effectiveness, well, bomber aircraft losses were tremendous until the end of the war, yet they lost the war anyway. So its hard to say. If you can down 10% of the B-17 per bombing run against ball bearing factories, but still lose the war, was it effective or not? Or looking at the staggering economic and logistics costs of the air war, skipping the air war and focusing on shipping over tanks that don't suck might have ended the war in '44 or earlier, so maybe it was ineffective. Imagine if the winter battle of the bulge never happened because the war was already over by winter rather than lasting till spring. Or maybe no bombing would have meant more hardware would have meant the D-day invasion getting pushed back into the sea Dunkirk II style. Its an evenly balanced enough argument that academics will never lack for discussion topics.
I'm not sure what to make of the Sherman tank. On the one hand, it was famously under-armored and under-gunned; on the other hand, it was fast, maneuverable, reliable, fuel efficient, cheap to produce, and perhaps easier to ship across the ocean than heavier German-style tanks would have been. So, in the final accounting, I'm not sure if it was really a bad tank or if its shortcomings were justified in the big picture.
I'm not any kind of WWII expert, so please fill me in on what I don't know.
The procedure is; measure the target, then use cross marks on the cross hairs to raise the gun tube to the appropriate level, manually guess lead and defilade, fire, on the way. It obviously takes practice to get good at. I found it curious that the US Army continued to teach/train/use this method, as well as land navigation with compass/mapp instead of gps. The idea is to not rely on technology entirely.
Edit: turns out I am describing stadiametric rangefinding:
I teach light infantry tactics to new lieutenants for the US Army. There's a couple reasons to use old-school methods over relying on your GPS:
* Using a compass and a map gives you a much better feel for terrain. One of the common problems with lieutenants is a disregard for advantages and disadvantages of specific terrain. I feel that this is by far the most important point. Understanding and visualizing terrain from a map is a hugely valuable skill that impacts most points of an operation, specifically route planning, where to place your machine guns, and where to attack the objective from.
* GPS can be jammed. This point was driven home hard by the novel Ghost Fleet. Ghost Fleet is a white paper turned into a novel (because no one would read a whitepaper) on what a future war with China would look like. I'm pretty sure Ghost Fleet is also the impetus for the Naval Academy re-adding celestial navigation to their classwork.
* GPS doesn't always work, or takes a while to get enough satellites to get a fix. You know what really sucks: taking fire and not knowing where you are.
* Batteries are heavy. Yes, tech is improving and you typically only need AA batteries. But soldier weight for light infantry is and continues to be a challenge.
My only military experience is from my compulsory service in the Finnish Defence Forces, where everyone does have to learn how to read maps and use a compass (we never used gps/other equivalent). I was in signals myself, so I didn't have any training for rangefinding.
There's a lot of approximation involved, but generally it's good enough to hit an airplane sized target, especially on US fighters where you typically have 4-8 machine guns spitting out 50+ bullets per second in a shotgun like pattern.
Some relevant links:
http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu236/ken1926/P-51DK_03.j...
http://www.lonesentry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ta...
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d7/P-47_gun...
http://www.twinbeech.com/CFCsystem.htm (scroll down for technical information from the user manual)
http://www.glennsmuseum.com/bombsights/everything.html#B-29_... (great pictures)
http://web.mit.edu/STS.035/www/PDFs/Newell.pdf A bonus link, review paper on WWII electromechanical fire control computers.
It's worth noting here that CWIS' effectiveness hasn't really been proven. But what is certain is that it's theoretical effectiveness is being questioned as missiles get faster. The original 20mm CWIS had a pretty limited range. The Europeans went to 30mm with Goalkeeper, and now both are set to be replaced with either directed energy weapons (faster tracking, better accuracy) or systems like SeaRAM, which can engage further by switching to point defense missiles instead of guns.
I can see how directed energy weapons could be attractive to aircraft once the power density issues are solved, but right now they're simply too heavy.
This lets the designer do a lot of precalculation, so they might use a series of cams that approximate known curves or differentials some known ratio.
Useful google terms are things like "mechanical fire control computer" or "mechanical tide predictor".
Check out "Old Brass Brains" it might give you an idea of how to approach this kind of problem mechanically; or at least how sophisticated a mechanical approach can be.
It's amazing how effective automation can completely transform an activity and elevate it to a new plane of effectiveness. I'll channel Andreessen and say: technology is eating the world.
The "79 fighter planes" claim doesn't pass the sniff test to me either. Remember that two months after this, the Japanese didn't even bother sending fighters to even try to intercept the planes that bombed Hiroshima (for example).
I'm not saying that the claim is definitely false, but I wouldn't take anything written in the press during the actual war at face value.
We all know what happened instead.
The first proposition is a reasonable explanation for the second. If you're not willing to lose 79 fighters, then don't engage a B-29.
There's a recorded instance of a B29 shooting down 14 fighters over Tokyo (it was also rammed by two fighters and still made it home). There are also instances of B29s downing MiGs over Korea.
The late model B17s were pretty effective too. An old Strategy & Tactics magazine quoted stats for two different air forces (recall it was the "US Army Air Corps" and "Air Forces" were simply an organizational unit) operating out of Britain over a two year period in WWII, one was bombers and the other fighters. Both shot down roughtly the same number of planes -- but the bombers used 100x as much ammunition. (Sorry, this is a 1970s print publication, no link, just my memory.)
Also recall that the Japanese lost almost all their trained pilots early in the war, so the B29 was using a far superior weapon system against very inexperienced pilots.
Take a look at some of the entries here; April 17th stands out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_and_overclaiming_...
"the 91st and 306th Bomb Groups claimed 63 German fighters destroyed, plus 15 probable and 17 damaged. Only two were confirmed destroyed, with nine damaged."
1) The B-29s had god-awful bombing accuracy in their original mission (high altitude level bombing) because of the as-of-yet-undiscovered jet stream over Japan. So when they flew too high and fast to be intercepted, they were basically useless when it came to doing damage.
2) This was already in the Kamikaze era of the war, and many B-29s were lost to that.
Anyway, I'm not going to rewatch the whole 45-minute long episode again. I found some stats that listed a total of 74 lost from fighters, but I'm hesitant to post because I can't dig up the original source (it 404s now). Will if you so desire. The number lost due to weather, mechanical failure, etc., dwarf the number lost to fighters by a huge factor but it does make the original quote here sound like some amount of propaganda bullshit.