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We all get free or almost free or cheap, decent education in Iran, how about you? how much university debt do you have?

Well I went to a paid university in Iran, the quality of education wasn't good either. Almost 1% of people get that "free" education you're talking about.

you went to paid university because you were not smart enough to get into free one, I went to free one, AmirKabir University of Technology and studied computer science for free. I like to know where did you get your 1% from?

Maybe you're right and I'm not smart enough. But 1% of 1.7 million students who went Konkoor the year I went to is still a lot more than capacity of all universities in Iran. So your statement is incorrect. We didn't "all" get free education

you even cannot read properly,no wonder you didn't get accepted in Concour (Concour is a french word, you can learn this one too), I wrote: "we all get free or almost free or very cheap", read again so you learn to read correctly and you can comment again. we were 5 kids in family and my father had very modest income, me and my brother went to free university and 3 of my sisters went to Azad university and my father was able to pay for tuition with his modest income however it was hard for him to pay sometimes, but he was able to pay. and we didn't end up with mountains of debt.

1. It's not decent education.

2. It's the same here in the U.S. With all the nagging cost of education is not that high. I'm paying for my wife college.

3. You are attacking me for no reason. Once you called me dumb. But you know how the entry exam works, it is certainly not the best system for pickup up the most talented people. I'm not saying I'm talented or anything but your basis of judgment is wrong

I will leave at here, I didn't call you dumb, you just may be didn't think enough, I looked at your submissions, it seems you are smart enough and had decent education ( i guess in iran ) :)

Nope, as I said Azad university sucks balls. I didn't finish school there. I came to the U.S., got some real education and started working for a company that you use it's products everyday. But it's not about me. I might be the dumbest person on planet

Back to your original point in which you suggested we have decent education for cheap of free in Iran. I still disagree with you. There is only a handful of schools (Sharif and maybe Tehran) with decent teachers and some decade old equipments, other than that most of schools in Iran are inefficient and I consider them a waste of time. Azad university is more like a religious school than an art and science college. So no, we don't have "free or cheap" "decent education" "for everyone". If we had we wouldn't have such terrible society. You went to a "decent" school and living in Canada. You're considered "elite" or counted in brain drain stats! Yet, you are attacking people on internet for no reason. That's why I'm saying we have a terrible society.

I didn't attack anyone, I only said you were not possibly smart enough to pass the entrance exam, I didn't pass it either on first attempt, I managed to get into decent school on second try. Azad wasn't very good university at first it was kinda like a high school at the beginning ( my high school use to be Azad branch in after hours !!!) , I have seen it grown since its inception, now is good enough on main branches in big cities, in terms of equipments even with sanctions we had good stuff, for sure not as Ivy league universities in US, but good. yes I am living in Canada, I also lived in 4 other countries and I am still proud of whatever my country provided for me, with education that I had in Iran, and my hard work today I work for one of top 3 software makers in world.I am by no means elite but may be in brain drain stats ;). since you are in US go to any decent US university's engineering department and see how many Iranian educated boys and girls study there, and how many of them actually finished their BS or MSc in Iran. here in Canada/Quebec in one of the universities 70% of Phd students are Iranian (official stat by university itself). they must have had decent education to get accepted for continuing higher education, i guess, what do you think?. for you information my wife also study Phd in McGill, she finished her Msc and BS in Iran. education in Iran is way more decent than many other countries and is cheap or free. today they don't have a big competition to get into universities as there many more seats available.we don't have terrible society we only have terrible individuals which could possibly include myself too. so let's fix ourselves first.

On HN, telling someone that they can't read properly or that they weren't smart enough to pass an exam do count as personal attacks. We ban accounts for doing this, so please don't do this again.

To be a good contributor to this site it's best to make sure you've read the following:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

I said he cannot read, because he didn't read, I will say it as long as someone reads my writings partially and not complete.I said he was not possibly smart enough as Iran's free university entrance exam was to the most degree IQ test ( at least in my days ) I failed myself for first time. you can go ahead and ban my account now.

You posted "you even cannot read properly" in a comment upthread.

We don't want to ban you! Your comments indicate a perspective that doesn't often show up here. Diverse perspectives are good for HN. But to participate effectively, you need to learn and follow the local conventions, and also understand that HN has rules, the foremost of which is civility.

I don't think you were intentionally uncivil. I do think you were unintentionally uncivil. That's nowhere near as bad, but still needs correcting.

did you see "Properly"? please re-read what I wrote and you quoted, otherwise I "might" think you unintentionally unable to read what I wrote, or unintentionally don't like to understand what I wrote, I don't like sweet talks, I prefer to be concise and direct. you don't know me, so you cannot judge my civility neither I can do yours. and you are not in a position of correcting me or anyone here, but you can express your opinion on someone's opinion and you are just a moderator (I guess), you seems like US government which is trying to "Correct" people who don't know ( by using force ) and have no intention of knowing them, you just use your "Civil Words" and threat of banning rather than trying to understand what I said. ( did I attack you too? I hope not, don't take it personally everyone needs a reminder sometimes, it could be me or you), feel free to ban me if my opinion hurts your level of civility. I have no intention of correcting you or anyone, peoples are uncorrectable until they realize (by education may be or facing the truth/consequences of their actions) themselves that they were wrong, then they might overcome their ignorance and mistakes, and that is very small possibility specially these days. :)

I feel like we may be running up against some language and cultural barriers here, and am happy to discuss further at hn@ycombinator.com if it would help clear things up. But you do have to follow the rules, like everyone else, when posting to HN.

good, next time before jumping in and using your gun (banning), try to read (re-read) and understand first as English is not universal mother tongue of everyone (including myself), and I generally follow the rules as they are necessary.

FYI, I didn't go to school in Canada, only in Iran.

no gift is ever free. that is the problem.

I fail to see the downside of a free education. The questions you might ask is what it is exactly that is being taught but in general a free education is a good thing.

"Since the act of accepting a gift can create a sense of unfulfilled obligation on the part of the receiver, gifts are sometimes refused, depending on the situation."

This notion from an etiquette guide to foreign culture I think is relevant.

No, this one does not apply for free gift of education, but it applies to any gift that have some sort of monetary value, because when you educate people you enlighten them and give them ability of understanding true value of what they are receiving too. so you are wrong again. you give a man fish you feed him for a day ( your case ), you teach him fishing, you feed him for life ( education case ).

you're incredibly overconfident. I'll leave it at that. good luck.

confidence comes from ability to recognize the facts from BS and fallacy.

that is freemium (looks free but is not), you are mixing it with genuine gift my dear.

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