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I'm struggling to understand how you are a hard core Linux user yet you've never heard of a good Linux IDE. KDevelop? Eclipse? Netbeans? KomodoIDE? Anything from JetBrains? And I don't even know what might be available on the Gnome side. Then there are all the great editors that sit right on the verge of being IDEs once you configure - Kate, KomodoEdit, Sublime Text and so many more.

Personally the look at VS Code made me think it's an editor not an IDE but maybe that's changed.

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Honestly none of those are very good. The UX, speed, stability, etc is lacking. Eclipse is ok if you're only doing Java (and was good 10 years ago, but the UX is irrelevant today), but sucks for everything else. IntelliJ is the only one do better support other languages but it too is quite clunky, and I use it regularly.

Sublime is not on the verge of becoming an IDE, nor any of those other ones. There are way too many missing features and constructors for this to happen, and I also regularly use it and prefer it as my text editor.

I haven't used any of the VS products extensively but I know they have a good reputation. I hope Microsoft could make it amazing for all languages and all platforms. Sounds good to me! Please just make a reasonable replacement for Xcode! (Jetbrains is terrible)

Jetbrains IDEs are highly regarded and run very well under Linux.

Highly regarded? Absolutely. Run very well under Linux? I dunno about that part. I run PHPStorm on a workstation with 16GB of RAM and it still huffs and puffs on occasion when doing stuff like indexing files or running their Intellisense-alike. It's fine, I can live with it, but it's not exactly "wow, this thing really flies!" performance.

I agree, use Pycharm, Webstorm and PHPStorm(rarely these days) on all of my Ubuntu laptops with no issues except when doing things any IDE would slow on, due to the background activity(your cpu) out of the control of the Software.

I love Jetbrains products, but under Linux they are nowhere near as stable as VS is on Windows, or even Jetbrains apps on Windows.

They're slower, and some features don't quite work right all the time.

What? Stop lying and spreading false rumors. IntelliJ Idea and PyCharm are rock stable on Linux, they are not slower and if something isn't working then please let Jetbrains know.

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It's just my experience, and I've had the same experience through multiple machines.

I've used IntelliJ on Linux, Windows and Mac for many years and haven't encountered any of the issues you're describing.

Worked extensively with phpstorm both on windows and linux (mint). Works perfectly on both platforms with no difference.

Jetbrains stuff eats up nearly as much RAM as Eclipse. If you're not on an 8+GB machine, prepare for your SSD life being massively reduced due to swap.

8GB of ram is not hard to get today, and jetbrains ide's speed when you have that is pretty impressive compared to features. Also for the more focused editions (pycharm, phpstorm, rubymine) they have even better performance compared to intellij (which usually comes with too many plugins installed).

Remember, not everyone has the cash to shell out for a shiny new Macbook (or an IT department willing to do so!).

There are more than enough people who don't have the resources.

My pc handles it very well and it costed me 500$. Later RAM upgrade included.

I'm giving my opinion and I think the experience is crap.

* Jank occurs frequently

* hidpi support until theoretically recently was only on the Mac

* it's too often indexing

* vim support is mediocre

* themes are terrible and require difficult ways of installing instead of centralizing and hosting

* too many tiny icons of poor design with no text unless you hover

* overall UX is terrible (why can't it be like someone Apple would design for consumers -- Xcode isn't their finest work but is better than the low bar of IntelliJ)

* font rendering is shit (blame Java)

* their iOS environment is such a shit show that it's not even funny, and only now they're opening Xcode for IB instead of having a decent replacement that can do story boards (does it even have swift 2.1 support?)

* many more issues but this is enough

It's all subjective. Objectively, they have a huge following with many enthusiastic users. Clearly it's not the disaster that you are making it out to be.

I love some PyCharm. It's a wonderful piece of software. It is a little slow to start, and it is indeed heavy on memory, but RAM is cheap and I don't reboot hardly ever. It is 100% a first-class citizen on Linux.

Having a huge number of users doesn't mean the product is what it could be. Windows 3.1 had a lot of numbers -- does that mean it was "good?"

I don't know why programmers have to deal with such shit tools. Everything is more/less the same since the 80s, with the exception of github, git, and lib centers like maven or pip. Otherwise the fundamental experience of text editors is the same, and even IDEs are more/less the same.

Meanwhile our interfaces have vastly improved otherwise. That's what I'm talking about. The bar should be higher than VS. The bar should be as high or higher than the iPhone itself.

Netbeans, despite what some people argue, is very good with both Java and PHP.

TBH I have minor snags with 8.1 so I'm holding back there. However compared to Intellij where I had a paid license and they still replied with: "just buy the next version where it will be fixed" in the Netbeans community Geertjan replied personally and helped with the troubleshooting for my unpaid product.

I've tried Eclipse, Netbeans, Komodo IDE, Geany, and found them either too clunky and unusable on my older machine, or too barebones with little intellisense. I did start using Sublime Text once, but didn't stick it out long enough to get used to it. I haven't tried the JetBrains products, to be fair.

Jetbrains really is great. It's like Eclipse, without the bugs and faster. For Python, nothing beats Wings IDE. Both proprietary tho.

You prefer Wings over PyCharm?

I have the same question, what makes wings better than pycharm?

Definitely worth a try... On two recent jobs, I used my regular WebStorm IDE but was also required to use VS for certain tasks. I much preferred the Jetbrains IDE, and I don't think it's just down to familiarity as I would seek out equivalent workflows in VS.

Of all those, jetbrains is the only company pushing the envelope in terms of productivity and tooling. It's a common meme that Visual Studio is an IDE wet dream. Is it really so hard to see?

Eclipse eclipse's JetBrains's products that much is a fact and it far exceeds Visual Studio still.

Really? I found it buggy and slow to the point of non-usability.

Are you seriously comparing Eclipse to Visual Studio? I use both of them. Eclipse for CUDA programming, Visual Studio for everything else. There's no comparison. Eclipse is a buggy heap of crud. Visual Studio just works.

As much as I like VS, depending on the plugins you need, when working in web projects it can get funky to frustrating... on a system with plenty of RAM and an SSD, it's very nice.

I do more node these days, and so far I like VSC best of the editors I've tried.

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