Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep
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HN Posting: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10556375
Previous industries have sold products with negative health impacts, with changes eventually coming from consumer pushback, government regulation and/or class-action lawsuits.
There must be at least one mainstream device manufacturer who has a large advertising budget and can take a leadership position by implementing bedtime mode and advertising the health benefits.
Incidentally, this effect might explain why people complain that typical office lighting isn't bright enough to cause sufficient melatonin suppression during the day.
Looking at phones or laptops or whatever screens at nighttime suppresses melatonin, which leads to people not feeling sleepy when they should, which makes them much more likely to continue looking at their screen than if they became as tired as normal.
It’s certainly possible to stay up doing something without blue light (e.g. reading by candlelight or a dim incandescent flashlight), but blue light makes a huge difference, and actively fights people’s ability to exercise self control.
Working to change habits is all well and good, but instead of telling someone who habitually binges on candy and cookies to stop eating any snacks at all, period, it would be a more successful intervention to take the candy and cookies away and fill their refrigerator with carrot sticks.
If you believe using your phone late at night is harmful to you at all then why continue to maintain a that behaviour? Wouldn't it be much more beneficial to your health to avoid screens altogether at night? I'm not saying that it is easy but I believe it's a good healthy goal to aim for just like getting exercise and eating well.
To your point about unhealthy eating habits I totally agree. I just don't see phone addiction normally talked about as often as diet and exercise which is why I wanted to mention it.
If you’re asking about me personally, I don’t use a smartphone at night. I thought we were talking about what actions smartphone vendors could take to help their customers’ health.
> Even with these apps a phone will still emit a large amount of blue light and having the light source so close to my face I still notice it disrupts my sleep.
If you use f.lux on a Mac, you can make it incredibly orange almost completely blocking out the "blue" channel on the display. It also includes a "darkroom" mode which inverts the display colors and turns black text on white into red text on black.
Paraphrasing from one of your previous posts, "if you really have to question every action that might be harmful then you would never go outside, put anything in your mouth, go to the bathroom etc. Your question really only makes sense when considering activities that have a relatively high risk of harm in which case the answer has to come down to two things. Firstly how harmful is this activity? And secondly, how much harm am I willing to take?"
If a bed mode is enough to make the disruption to one's sleep negligible, why not use the phone late at night?
Even if you’re casually looking at photographs, watching a television show, or playing a game, your eyes can compensate pretty well for a significant reduction in the amount of blue light, and you can have a perfectly acceptable experience.
Note, you’ll also want to dim or turn off other lights at night. In particular white LEDs of CCT ≥4000K are terrible at night, both wrecking night vision and disrupting sleep rhythm.
If you’re in an otherwise dark room, you can turn your display brightness as low as it will go and turn f.lux to its orangest possible setting and still browse the web, answer emails, write code, etc. perfectly fine. At such an extreme setting you might not be able to effectively enjoy photographs or movies anymore, but maybe right before bed isn’t the best time to look at photographs anyway.
I’ve found VLC doesn’t have an issue, but I’m not sure if you could use VLC to play Netflix videos.
I had the same experience when I spent an hour in a white tent. When I stepped outside everything looked super blue, and I had not noticed until then that the light in the tent was in fact super yellow.
How hard can it be ?
My own little lifehack here is that my phone stays downstairs, in the charger, when I go to bed. I use an old phone without wifi or SIM to act as a simple, programmable, non-annoying alarm clock. It means that by the time I'm down, I don't need to resist to urge to just check HN one more time.
Some adults use their phones before going to sleep in order to be non-infantile and responsible.
The one I got was ~$40 option when I last ordered new glasses, and was branded "digital protection glasses" and "Kodak BlueReflect".
If looking through your glasses doesn’t make everything look significantly yellower/oranger than usual when you first put them on, then it’s not blocking too much blue light. You can try to find a spec sheet with the spectral transmission distribution to get a full idea.
Ahh, here are two links which mention those days: http://www.salon.com/2014/02/18/how_jimmy_fallon_and_the_roo... and https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/w... .
Seriously, what is wrong with people, turn the thing off.
Future "news": Food needs to stop being so tasty so people don't eat too much.
(I'd like to see it change because individuals make the choice, not by fiat, so let's not have an argument about it)
That said, I could turn off wifi and cellular data, but that's one more thing to remember to do every night. I suppose if you find the temptation overwhelming, it could be worth it though.
My point is just that turning off the phone is not as simple of a decision as you make it sound.
it's a pull down, one click if you set it up right
also, some phones with 5.1 or 6.0 can change modes automatically depending on time of day and can turn off mobile data and wifi - you can leave voice enabled for "emergencies"
If you need emergency calls, you can just turn off wifi and mobile data which leaves voice (and I think sms) intact.
Your comment acted like turning off the phone was the obvious solution everybody was missing, and my point was that it's more complicated.
I did find that it doesn't meet my needs exactly, however. I favorited a number of inbound numbers such as Pingdom and co-workers to allow for alerts to come through but it doesn't apply to SMS messaging. They simply get muted, even if the number is in your favorites. I had to turn off "Do Not Disturb" simply because overrides wouldn't be triggered by SMS messages.
I believe it should apply to both SMS and phone for the overrides.